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This song was actually the last song I really got into and really loved on the album (I mean, except maybe 'Occident' - I got into it, then decided I didn't particularly like it).
I love the cataclysmic ending. The flutelike and eerie Oo-oo-ooh's, like a foreboding and prophetic song of the apocalypse; the hot ash and destructive 'tides of the earth', calcifying people alive; the narrator's blood 'soaking and felling' everything like 'an atom bomb'; the 'kingfisher lying with the lion', like in an Isaian prophecy: the end of her love is the end of the narrator's world, and she dies in its destruction. The ending of this song makes the realism and earthliness of Does Not Suffice so much more stark and affecting.
This song is full of amazing little phrases and images. I love all the existentialist themes. the lesson she fits in at the end, 'It is too short, the day we are born / We commence with our dying', reminds me of Ys and Emily, but with a much darker edge; the idea that life is just a 'slow death'.
It's devastating. The whole song is. It's just horribly sad in this beautiful, mythic, catastrophic, fantastic and dreamlike way. Then you have the clash with the subsequent Does Not Suffice, which covers similar ground but is much more humanly, realistically sad.
I'm in the minority, I don't like Kingfisher. The lyrics are great, but I think it's a bit overdone. It would have been better without the violins and with a little less percussion. Does Not Suffice sets a more gloomy tone with less instruments going on at once, and that may have been for effect as it's right after Kingfisher, but I don't think it works.
I don't know if she's religious or not. I watched an interview where she talked about the legend of Ys, about how it had been Christianised (in an almost derogatory tone), but this is the only mention she has made outside of singing in relation to religion as far as I know.
I've been listening a lot but haven't written anything yet. I'm actually about to listen to Only Skin now and make some notes It might take a while, but it shall be done
(Unfortunately?) I have not yet lost anyone I've loved, so the full emotional impact of a lot of these songs does seem to escape me a bit. Perhaps I won't be able to fully appreciate HOOM until I'm miserable?
I just can't get over Joanna's lyrics sometimes. The whole 'Hung from the underbelly of the earth' verse makes me fall down, slack-jawed and marveling, every time.
I'm totally in agreement Jordan, especially with the 'some nights...' verse in In California which always absolutely kills me. The way she sings 'Sometimes I can almost feel the power' has the intense emotional weight of her very best lines, just like 'scrape your knee, it is only skin'.
Pretty much every line in Does Not Suffice makes me wanna tear up.
Hmm yeah a lot of those basic conclusions I'd already drawn, but it's really interesting to see all these little extra emotions that the lines evoke for someone more experienced
Oddly I'd never really though of the 'boundless bed' and 'clear path to the shower' in quite the same way you did. The way you put it, 'the feeling that you've been easily replaced with nothing', or the heart breaking idea that in some respects you were 'irritant' makes the ending seem even more affecting. How horrible to have loved someone so much more than they ever loved you.
I still think In California and maybe Autumn are the most heartbreaking songs on the album for me, because I can relate more to a lot of the themes - growing older, leaving home, extended separation from the one you love. Lines like 'Some nights I just never go to sleep at all, and I stand, shaking in my doorway, like a sentinel, all alone' or 'And I don't want to be alone. My heart is yellow as an ear of corn' that you mentioned, 'bracing like the bow upon a ship, and fully abandoning any thought of anywhere but home', 'Time won't account for how I've aged', and 'But time marches along. You can't always stick around' destroy me every time.
You know, I have a really hard time listening to Have One on Me. It's very ... tied to a specific time and feeling. And what's so strange is that Ys isn't. Ys always feels strangely new and familiar, and it doesn't bog me down with loss and memories. HOOM does. I haven't listened in so long, it just makes me sad. I listened to Go Long the other day but I cried too much so I just put it all away. Does Not Suffice would've killed me. I wonder why it tied itself so firmly to a specific time, when neither Ys nor MEM did so painfully. Hrm.
I have often avoided talking about my musical tastes, in case someone says something that might adversely change my perception of that music, whether carelessly or maliciously. It is unfortunate that in order to really enjoy something, I have to be comfortable with it on pretty much every level. It sounds, Ann, as though it's the same with you, although your evident discomfort with (all or most of?) HOOM clearly is a lot more visceral than just an adverse comment from a friend. That's a real shame, because HOOM is a wonderful piece of work, and I'd suggest you're missing a lot by avoiding it. I don't know what the answer is, but maybe you could try gradually introducing it, track by track, when you are feeling uplifted and in a good mood. Perhaps you could re-imprint good mental associations onto the songs. I hope so, Ann, it would be such a pity to have one of MM's most respected and insightful users no longer feeling that she can fully engage with the subject of this site...
Not to speak out of turn Ann, but do you not think the specific events occurring in your life over and after the release period of HOOM make it quite obvious why any music you heard in that time would result in such an extreme emotional trigger? In periods of intense emotion I think we really cling to things like books and music and from then on they are always associated with that time. It's fairly Proustian, just as with smell and taste, music can literally transport you to something or someone if what you were feeling at the time was important. I find it happening to myself the whole time, to varying degrees.
Yeah, everyone's got songs they can't stand to listen to because that's what was playing when they were broken up with or when a relative passed away, etc.; maybe that's what it is?