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Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2017, 11:35
by Steve


RESULTS FROM ROUND ONE D


Pair 169 : Cassiopeia 1 - 1 No Provenance
Pair 170 : Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain) 1.5 - 0.5 Make Hay
Pair 171 : Through The Trees [RF/LM] 2 - 0 Another Disaster [P]
Pair 172 : Wake Up Instead [P] 1 - 0 Intermission (aka I The Province) [P]
Pair 173 : Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN] 2 - 0 The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN/TF]
Pair 174 : Ill Pearls [NC] 0 - 0 France [PG/JN/TF]
Pair 175 : Amour Fou [V] 1 - 0 R.U. In [P]
Pair 176 : untitled (from One Piece From The Middle) [P] 1 - 0 About Me [P]
Pair 177 : If I Were [VB] 2 - 0 We Are A Crowd [LI]
Pair 178 : The Things I Say 1 - 1 Leaving The City
Pair 179 : Sympathy [GS] 2 - 0 7 Minutes In Heaven [MOB/JN]
Pair 180 : Kindness Be Conceived [TG] 1 - 1 Prepared Harp Improv./Untitled Harp Music
Pair 181 : Dreams [DB/JN/V] 1 - 0 Orange Peter [P]
Pair 182 : The Book Of Right-On 2 - 0 We Are The Doctor [P]
Pair 183 : The Wheel [BC] 1 - 0 Happy Birthday To You
Pair 184 : Yarn And Glue 1.5 - 0.5 No Style [P]
Pair 185 : Inflammatory Writ 2 - 0 Eleven Continents [RF/LM]
Pair 186 : Ribbon Bows 1 - 1 Sprout And The Bean
Pair 187 : Autumn 2 - 0 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pair 188 : Flying A Kite 2 - 0 This Side Of The Blue
Pair 189 : Beautiful Child 1 - 1 Little Wing
Pair 190 : Bring Me Down [GS] 2 - 0 He Needs Me
Pair 191 : Rock Bottom Riser [S] 1 - 1 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
Pair 192 : Amerilie [V] 2 - 0 One Horse [P]
Pair 193 : Bridges And Balloons 1 - 1 Occident
Pair 194 : Sycamore [BC] 1 - 0 Setting The Bushes On Fire [NC]
Pair 195 : Shame [DB/V/JN+friends] 1 - 1 Instrumental 1999
Pair 196 : Picture [RP/JN] 2 - 0 Lifetime [RF/LM]
Pair 197 : Life's A Happy Song Finale [M] 1 - 0 Nonrum Nonproblem [NC]
Pair 198 : Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB] 2 - 0 Ras Trent [LI]
Pair 199 : Same Old Man 2 - 0 Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
Pair 200 : Do You Know Who You Are? [GS] 2 - 0 Swift Nude [P]
Pair 201 : You And Me, Bess 1 - 1 What We Have Known
Pair 202 : Never Come Home [P] 1 - 0 The Muppet Show Theme [M]
Pair 203 : Esme 2 - 0 Albatross
Pair 204 : Jackrabbits 2 - 0 River Guard [BC]
Pair 205 : Franks Vs Frank [NC] 1 - 1 You & Me [KB]
Pair 206 : The Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC] 1 - 0 Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
Pair 207 : Another Day [RH/JN] 2 - 0 Against The Sky [VB]
Pair 208 : The Orchard [PG/JN/TF] 2 - 0 If You Can Afford It [P]
Pair 209 : The Fray 2 - 0 Angel
Pair 210 : Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC] 1 - 0 Rice Precipitation [NC]
Pair 211 : Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes 2 - 0 Don't Make Things [P]
Pair 212 : Erin 1.5 - 0.5 On A Good Day
Pair 213 : Mountain & Bear [KB] 2 - 0 Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC]
Pair 214 : Man’s Road 2 - 0 Tom Bombadil
Pair 215 : The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS] 2 - 0 Secret [P]
Pair 216 : Mountain [GS] 1.5 - 0.5 Little Picture Of You [KB]
Pair 217 : Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie 1 - 1 ’81
Pair 218 : The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN] 2 - 0 Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P]
Pair 219 : Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN] 1 - 1 Colleen
Pair 220 : Oh Canada [P] 1 - 0 Let Go [P]
Pair 221 : Three Little Babes 2 - 0 Our Anniversary [S]
Pair 222 : This Is Just To Say 1 - 0 Roots [DB/V/JN/E/SN]
Pair 223 : I'm Already Gone (aka Already Gone) [P] 1 - 0 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
Pair 224 : Hear Me Marching [P] 1 - 0 The Conversation [P]

For the first time ever, there was one group / pair with no voter casting a vote - namely Pair 174. I regard this as different to a tie, even one of ½ point each, and have decided to treat it as a loss for both songs. Ignoring the erroneous pairing 45 in Round One A (it was replaced by 45a in Round One B), here is the summary of all songs' performances in Round One (A-D).


TABLE OF RESULTS: ROUND ONE (A-D)

Classification Method

i) One point is awarded for each pairing won, ½ point for each draw/tie, and 0 for each loss, and as there were four sets of pairings (A-D), the maximum is 4 points.

ii) I have also calculated a "merit score", as follows:
in each pairing, determine what percentage of points was awarded to each song: if it was 2 votes to 0, or 1-0, this was 100% to the winning song, and 0% to the loser; 1½-½ is 75%-25%; and 1-1 or ½-½ is 50%-50%. (As already mentioned, the solitary 0-0 is treated as 0%-0%). The percentage awarded to each song in the pairing is multiplied by the points of the opponent song (as calculated by (i) above), and for every song, the total of the four such calculation gives the "merit score". The idea is to reward results more highly against better rated songs than lower ones.

Songs are ordered first by (i) Points, and then as a tie breaker, by (ii) Merit Score.

Any songs level on both criteria are awarded equal positions (but listed below in the order of their "per milles" score from previous JNSTs).



Position Points Merit Song Title

001 4.0 8.500 Erin
002 3.5 8.250 Flying A Kite
003 3.5 7.750 Occident
=04 3.5 7.250 Esme
=04 3.5 7.250 Ribbon Bows
006 3.5 7.000 ’81
=07 3.5 6.750 Bridges And Balloons
=07 3.5 6.750 Sprout And The Bean
009 3.5 5.750 Autumn
010 3.0 8.000 What We Have Known
011 3.0 7.000 Cassiopeia
012 3.0 6.375 The Fray
013 3.0 6.250 The Things I Say
=14 3.0 6.000 On A Good Day
=14 3.0 6.000 No Provenance
=14 3.0 6.000 Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)
=14 3.0 6.000 You And Me, Bess
=14 3.0 6.000 The Book Of Right-On
=14 3.0 6.000 The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
=14 3.0 6.000 Man’s Road
021 3.0 5.875 Same Old Man
=22 3.0 5.500 Leaving The City
=22 3.0 5.500 Another Day [RH/JN]
024 3.0 5.250 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
=25 3.0 5.000 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
=25 3.0 5.000 Jackrabbits
=25 3.0 5.000 Inflammatory Writ
=25 3.0 5.000 Three Little Babes
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029 3.0 4.500 Yarn And Glue
=30 2.5 5.250 Instrumental 1999
=30 2.5 5.250 Prepared Harp Improv./Untitled Harp Music
=30 2.5 5.250 Shame [DB/V/JN+friends]
=30 2.5 5.250 Picture [RP/JN]
034 2.5 5.000 This Side Of The Blue
035 2.5 4.500 The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
=36 2.5 4.250 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
=36 2.5 4.250 Rock Bottom Riser [S]
=36 2.5 4.250 Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
=39 2.5 4.000 Albatross
=39 2.5 4.000 Bring Me Down [GS]
=41 2.5 3.750 Sycamore [BC]
=41 2.5 3.750 Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
043 2.0 5.750 No Style [P]
044 2.0 4.250 Make Hay
045 2.0 4.000 Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P]
046 2.0 3.750 Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN]
047 2.0 3.250 Beautiful Child
=48 2.0 3.000 Colleen
=48 2.0 3.000 Tom Bombadil
=48 2.0 3.000 Our Anniversary [S]
=48 2.0 3.000 Eleven Continents [RF/LM]
=48 2.0 3.000 Don't Make Things [P]
=48 2.0 3.000 The Wheel [BC]
054 2.0 2.750 Little Wing
=55 2.0 2.500 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
=55 2.0 2.500 Against The Sky [VB]
=55 2.0 2.500 Angel
=55 2.0 2.500 untitled (from One Piece From The Middle) [P]
=59 2.0 2.000 Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
=59 2.0 2.000 Never Come Home [P]
=59 2.0 2.000 I'm Already Gone (aka Already Gone) [P]
=59 2.0 2.000 Hear Me Marching [P]
=63 2.0 1.500 Sympathy [GS]
=63 2.0 1.500 Oh Canada [P]
=63 2.0 1.500 Amerilie [V]
=66 2.0 1.000 We Are The Doctor [P]
=66 2.0 1.000 River Guard [BC]
=66 2.0 1.000 Amour Fou [V]
=66 2.0 1.000 This Is Just To Say
=66 2.0 1.000 Through The Trees [RF/LM]
=66 2.0 1.000 Wake Up Instead [P]
=66 2.0 1.000 The Orchard [PG/JN/TF]
073 2.0 0.750 Mountain [GS]
074 1.5 3.750 He Needs Me
075 1.5 2.250 Lifetime [RF/LM]
=76 1.5 2.000 Swift Nude [P]
=76 1.5 2.000 Setting The Bushes On Fire [NC]
078 1.5 1.750 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]
079 1.5 1.500 Secret [P]
080 1.5 1.250 Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]
=81 1.5 0.750 If I Were [VB]
=81 1.5 0.750 You & Me [KB]
=81 1.5 0.750 Franks Vs Frank [NC]
=81 1.5 0.750 Dreams [DB/JN/V]
=85 1.0 2.500 If You Can Afford It [P]
=85 1.0 2.500 One Horse [P]
087 1.0 2.250 Another Disaster [P]
=88 1.0 2.000 The Conversation [P]
=88 1.0 2.000 Let Go [P]
090 1.0 1.500 Little Picture Of You [KB]
=91 1.0 1.000 Intermission (aka I The Province) [P]
=91 1.0 1.000 Happy Birthday To You
=91 1.0 1.000 About Me [P]
=91 1.0 1.000 Roots [DB/V/JN/E/SN]
=91 1.0 1.000 R.U. In [P]
=91 1.0 1.000 7 Minutes In Heaven [MOB/JN]
=97 1.0 0.000 Life's A Happy Song Finale [M]
=97 1.0 0.000 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
=97 1.0 0.000 Mountain & Bear [KB]
=97 1.0 0.000 The Muppet Show Theme [M]
=97 1.0 0.000 Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC]
=97 1.0 0.000 The Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC]
=103 0.5 0.75 Ras Trent [LI]
=103 0.5 0.75 We Are A Crowd [LI]
=105 0.5 0.25 Orange Peter [P]
=105 0.5 0.25 The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN/TF]
=107 0.0 0.00 Ill Pearls [NC]
=107 0.0 0.00 France [PG/JN/TF]
=107 0.0 0.00 Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
=107 0.0 0.00 Rice Precipitation [NC]
=107 0.0 0.00 Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC]
=107 0.0 0.00 Nonrum Nonproblem [NC]


Comments

The top 28 (those above the dotted line) qualify for Round Two. This was unfortunate for Yarn And Glue, which ended with 3 points, but just lost out to the group immediately above it on the Merit Score tie break.

Joanna's very first released recording, Erin, came out on top - perhaps surprisingly, but certainly deserved, being the only song to win all four of its pairings.

Had the table been compiled using "total percentage points received in each pairing) ie the first part of the calculation in (ii) above), exactly the same 28 songs would have qualified, in almost the same order.

Had Merit Score alone been used, then the top 24 above would still have qualified, but Ca' The Yowes To The Knowes, Jackrabbits, Inflammatory Writ, and Three Little babes would have lost out. One of these places would have gone to No Style, and I would have had to find another tie-breaker to select the other three from this group of four: Instrumental 1999, Prepared Harp Improv./Untitled Harp Music, Shame [DB/V/JN+friends], and Picture [RP/JN]. This would have increased the number of collaborations that qualified from just two (The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN] and Another Day [RH/JN]) to four or five.

Five songs have qualified whose per milles score prior to JNST7 suggested they would not do so, namely The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN], Man’s Road, Same Old Man (a special case, as it's early low showings were based on a lo-fi live recording, but which has now been properly recorded on Divers), Another Day [RH/JN], and the somewhat divisive Three Little Babes. The five 'favourites' who have thus missed out were Yarn And Glue and Instrumental 1999 (just, in these two cases), This Side Of The Blue (which was half-a-dozen places down), and two that trailled in around 50th - Colleen and You Will Not Take My Heart Alive, the lowest placed of Joanna's officially released solo recordings.

The first pairings for Round Two will be posted very soon. Twelve of the exempted songs will come into the mix at this stage (a further 12 will come in at Round Three). The first group of 12 contains:
A Pin-Light Bent
Anecdotes
Divers
Easy
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Good Intentions Paving Company
Goose Eggs
Peach, Plum, Pear
Soft As Chalk
Swansea
Time, As A Symptom
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2017, 11:59
by Steve


ROUND TWO A PAIRINGS


Please choose the one song that you prefer in each pairing. I intend to leave voting open for one week - so until about Thursday 9th November 2017 (ideally midnight UK time), but as experience this year has shown, I've been prone to let things slip! Depending on time and interest, we may then progress directly to Round Three, or there may be further set(s) of pairings with these 40 songs.

Pair 1
Inflammatory Writ
Soft As Chalk

Pair 2
A Pin-Light Bent
The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]

Pair 3
Autumn
Sprout And The Bean

Pair 4
Esme
The Things I Say

Pair 5
Divers
Another Day [RH/JN]

Pair 6
Erin
Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)

Pair 7
Three Little Babes
Good Intentions Paving Company

Pair 8
Occident
On A Good Day

Pair 9
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

Pair 10
Leaving The City
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 11
Easy
Jackrabbits

Pair 12
Man’s Road
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

Pair 13
You And Me, Bess
Anecdotes

Pair 14
’81
Cassiopeia

Pair 15
Same Old Man
Swansea

Pair 16
Bridges And Balloons
What We Have Known

Pair 17
The Book Of Right-On
Goose Eggs

Pair 18
Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 19
No Provenance
Flying A Kite

Pair 20
Ribbon Bows
The Fray

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 02 Nov 2017, 12:05
by Steve
Here are my votes for Round Two A

Pair 1 - Soft As Chalk
Pair 2 - A Pin-Light Bent [but I did consider this one closely!]
Pair 3 - Sprout And The Bean
Pair 4 - Esme
Pair 5 - Divers
Pair 6 - Erin [it's just so idyllic sounding]
Pair 7 - Three Little Babes / Good Intentions Paving Company [tie]
Pair 8 - On A Good Day
Pair 9 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne [another hard choice]
Pair 10 - Time, As A Symptom
Pair 11 - Easy
Pair 12 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) [well, I never]
Pair 13 - Anecdotes
Pair 14 - Cassiopeia
Pair 15 - Swansea
Pair 16 - What We Have Known [a really hard choice - Bridges And Balloons holds a special place as the first Joanna song I ever heard, but What We Have Known is just so powerful - the tremble in her voice at one point is like nothing else she's ever recorded]
Pair 17 - Goose Eggs
Pair 18 - Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Pair 19 - Flying A Kite
Pair 20 - Ribbon Bows [but a hard choice, as The Fray is also a very underrated song, I feel]

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 07 Nov 2017, 21:24
by under a CPell
ROUND TWO A PAIRINGS

Pair 1
Soft As Chalk

Pair 2
A Pin-Light Bent

Pair 3
tied-Autumn
tied-Sprout And The Bean (the first Joanna song I ever heard)

Pair 4
The Things I Say

Pair 5
Divers

Pair 6
Erin (tough choice, because I love Does Not Suffice as well, especially the ending)

Pair 7
Good Intentions Paving Company

Pair 8
On A Good Day

Pair 9
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

Pair 10
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 11
Easy

Pair 12
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

Pair 13
Anecdotes

Pair 14
’81

Pair 15
tied-Same Old Man
tied-Swansea

Pair 16
What We Have Known

Pair 17
Goose Eggs

Pair 18
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 19
No Provenance

Pair 20
Ribbon Bows

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 10 Nov 2017, 22:26
by Steve

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 11 Nov 2017, 22:30
by under a CPell
ROUND TWO B

Pair 1
’81

Pair 2
tie - No Provenance
tie - Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 3
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 4
Esme

Pair 5
The Things I Say

Pair 6
’81

Pair 7
Flying A Kite

Pair 8
Esme

Pair 9
No Provenance

Pair 10
No Provenance

Pair 11
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 12
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 13
The Things I Say

Pair 14
’81

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 12 Nov 2017, 12:55
by Steve
Thank you for your Round 2 B votes, Under A CPell. Here are mine ...

Pair 1 - Yarn And Glue
Pair 2 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pair 3 - Flying A Kite
Pair 4 - Esme
Pair 5 - Yarn And Glue
Pair 6 - ’81
Pair 7 - Flying A Kite
Pair 8 - Esme
Pair 9 - Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Pair 10 - No Style [P]
Pair 11 - Yarn And Glue
Pair 12 - Esme
Pair 13 - Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Pair 14 - tie - ’81 / No Style [P]

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 16 Nov 2017, 10:53
by Steve
I will not have internet access at the previously mentioned closing time for Round 2B, so instead I will aim to close voting about 24 hours EARLY. If anyone else intends to vote, please do so before a minute to midnight today (Thursday 16 Nov, UK time).
Thank you, under a cpell, for your continued support.

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2017, 01:48
by Steve

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2017, 01:58
by Steve


ROUND THREE A PAIRINGS


Please choose the one song that you prefer in each pairing. I intend to leave voting open for one week - so until about Friday 24th November 2017 (ideally a minute to midnight UK time) Depending on time, interest, and whether tie-breaks are needed, we may then progress directly to Round Four, or there may be further set(s) of pairings with these 32 songs.

Pair 1
Soft As Chalk
Swansea

Pair 2
Erin
Only Skin

Pair 3
Sapokanikan
Anecdotes

Pair 4
Sawdust & Diamonds
Sprout And The Bean

Pair 5
What We Have Known
Emily

Pair 6
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 7
Ribbon Bows
Cosmia

Pair 8
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Sadie

Pair 9
Good Intentions Paving Company
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 10
Goose Eggs
Monkey & Bear

Pair 11
Kingfisher
’81

Pair 12
A Pin-Light Bent
Go Long

Pair 13
Baby Birch
Esme

Pair 14
Flying A Kite
Have One On Me

Pair 15
In California
On A Good Day

Pair 16
Divers
Easy

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 19 Nov 2017, 00:09
by under a CPell
ROUND THREE A PAIRINGS

Pair 1
Swansea

Pair 2
Only Skin

Pair 3
Anecdotes

Pair 4
Sprout And The Bean

Pair 5
Emily

Pair 6
tied - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
tied - Peach, Plum, Pear

Pair 7
Cosmia

Pair 8
Sadie

Pair 9
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 10
Goose Eggs

Pair 11
’81

Pair 12
Go Long

Pair 13
Baby Birch

Pair 14
Have One On Me

Pair 15
In California

Pair 16
tied - Divers
tied - Easy

Lots of difficult choices!

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 20 Nov 2017, 09:58
by Steve
Thank you for your votes in Round Three A, under a Cpell.

Here are mine:

Pair 1 - Soft As Chalk
Pair 2 - Only Skin
Pair 3 - Anecdotes
Pair 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pair 5 - Emily
Pair 6 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pair 7 - Cosmia
Pair 8 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pair 9 - tie Good Intentions Paving Company / Time, As A Symptom
Pair 10 - Goose Eggs
Pair 11 - Kingfisher
Pair 12 - Go Long
Pair 13 - Baby Birch
Pair 14 - tie Flying A Kite / Have One On Me
Pair 15 - In California
Pair 16 - Divers

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2017, 02:21
by Steve
Thank you to those who voted in the most recent set of pairings (that's Under A CPell and me!). Voting for these pairs is now closed. Here are the results:



Pair 1 Soft As Chalk 1 - 1 Swansea
Pair 2 Only Skin 2 - 0 Erin
Pair 3 Anecdotes 2 - 0 Sapokanikan
Pair 4 Sawdust & Diamonds 1 - 1 Sprout And The Bean
Pair 5 Emily 2 - 0 What We Have Known
Pair 6 Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne 1½ - ½ Peach, Plum, Pear
Pair 7 Cosmia 2 - 0 Ribbon Bows
Pair 8 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 1 - 1 Sadie
Pair 9 Time, As A Symptom 1½ - ½ Good Intentions Paving Company
Pair 10 Goose Eggs 2 - 0 Monkey & Bear
Pair 11 Kingfisher 1 - 1 ’81
Pair 12 Go Long 2 - 0 A Pin-Light Bent
Pair 13 Baby Birch 2 - 0 Esme
Pair 14 Have One On Me 1½ - ½ Flying A Kite
Pair 15 In California 2 - 0 On A Good Day
Pair 16 Divers 1½ - ½ Easy

Of the 16 pairs, 12 produced definitive winners, with four ties. Since interest remains limited, here's how I intend to conclude this year's JNST (and perhaps the last unless there's an upturn for 2018, or perhaps I will simply ask Milkymooners to list their favourites and compile a chart from that in future):

The 12 winning songs from Round 3A will progress to Round Four, which will be the final stage, and will each carry forward 1 bonus point. The eight tied songs will also progress: their Round 3A results will be counted as part of Round 4, earning each of them a ½ point. There are just over 5 weeks remaining until the end of 2017, which is an invariable deadline for the completion of the tournament. I will aim to post at least five sets of pairings involving these 20 songs between now and 1 minute to midnight (UK time) on 31st December. Each set will remain open for at least 4 days (96 hours), but thereafter may close at any time providing the one other person (Under A CPell) who has been interested enough to support this tournament has cast her vote. After 7 days, the set is liable to close anyway, regardless of who has or has not voted. Each set of pairings will normally consist of 10 pairings, but I may do a double set if it seems expedient. I will also review all previous pairings in JNST7 and assess whether it is feasible to include a further (small) bonus award for each song based on them. The first set of pairings will be posted here shortly.

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2017, 04:09
by Steve
JNST VII ROUND FOUR
BONUS POINTS ALLOCATION


[size=85]Calculation

No qualified song has lost a pairing in an earlier round in JNST7.
For this purpose, three possible results are recognised:
W = a win by 2-0, earning 1 'round point' [rp]
w = a win by 1½-½, earning 0.9 'round points'
D = a draw (tie, 1-1), earning 0.5 'round points'.

Two songs competed in Round One, which is allocated a multiplier of ⅓:
'81 - achieved W3 w0 D1 => 3.5 rp
Sprout And The Bean - achieved W1 w2 D1 => 3.3 rp
In both cases, the maximum available rp was 4 (four pairings contested).
Round One is allocated a round multiplier of 1/3.

Ten songs competed in Round Two, which is allocated a multiplier of ½:
'81 - achieved W1 w1 D2 => 2.9 rp (from a maximum of 4)
Since the other competing songs were only involved in one pairing each, this has been scaled down to 0.725 rp (from a maximum of 1)
Anecdotes, Divers, "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!), Goose Eggs, Soft As Chalk, Time, As A Symptom, and Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
all achieved W1 w0 D0 => 1 rp (from a maximum of 1)
Sprout And The Bean and Swansea achieved W0 w1 D0 => 0.9 rp (from a maximum of 1).

All songs contested one pairing in Round Three, which is allocated a multiplier of 1:
Anecdotes, Baby Birch, Cosmia, Emily, Go Long, In California, Only Skin - all achieved W1 w0 D0 = 1rp
Divers, Have One On Me, Time, As A Symptom, Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne - all achieved W0 w1 D0 => 0-9 rp
’81, "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!), Kingfisher, Sadie, Sawdust & Diamonds, Soft As Chalk, Sprout And The Bean, Swansea
all achieved W0 w0 D1 => 0.5 rp

Songs not taking part in any particular round are allocated an rp score midway between the maximum available and the maximum actually achieved by a competing song (in Round One, 3.75 rp from a maximum of 4; in Round Two, 1 rp from a maximum of 1).

For each song, the number of bonus points scored is the sum, for each of the three rounds of:
rp scored in that round ÷ maximum rp it could have scored in that round × multiplier for that round

These work out as:

Anecdotes — 1.8125
Baby Birch — 1.8125
Cosmia — 1.8125
Emily — 1.8125
Go Long — 1.8125
Goose Eggs — 1.8125
In California — 1.8125
Only Skin — 1.8125

Divers — 1.7125
Have One On Me — 1.7125
Time, As A Symptom — 1.7125
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne — 1.7125

"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) — 1.3125
Kingfisher — 1.3125
Sadie — 1.3125
Sawdust & Diamonds — 1.3125
Soft As Chalk — 1.3125

Swansea — 1.2625

Sprout And The Bean — 1.225

’81 — 1.154166...

In Round Four, 1 point will be awarded for each pairing won, and ½ point for each pairing that results in a tie. However, up to 0.1 bonus points may be lost if any tie is not won by the maximum possible margin - the closest possible win (1½-½ in there are two voters, 2-1 if three, 2½-1½ if four, etc) will result in the loss of a full 0.1 bonus points, and any intermediate result will result in a smaller loss of bonus points. Any bonus points lost by a winning song will be added to the song it defeated. From here on, all bonus point calculations will only be shown to two decimal places, unless more are needed to break ties.

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2017, 04:16
by Steve


Please choose your favourite song in each of the pairs below. Stay tuned for more sets between now and the very end of 2017 [UK time]:

Pair 1
’81
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

Pair 2
Baby Birch
Emily

Pair 3
Soft As Chalk
Have One On Me

Pair 4
Cosmia
In California

Pair 5
Only Skin
Sadie

Pair 6
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 7
Goose Eggs
Anecdotes

Pair 8
Sawdust & Diamonds
Divers

Pair 9
Go Long
Swansea

Pair 10
Kingfisher
Sprout And The Bean

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2017, 03:04
by under a CPell
FOURTH & FINAL ROUND FOUR
SET A

Pair 1
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

Pair 2
Emily

Pair 3
Have One On Me

Pair 4
Cosmia

Pair 5
Only Skin

Pair 6
Time, As A Symptom

Pair 7
Anecdotes

Pair 8
Divers

Pair 9
Go Long

Pair 10
Sprout And The Bean

I really hope Milky Moon will still exist next year...

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2017, 22:19
by Steve
Thank you for your votes, under a CPell. So do I. I was going to quickly post my votes here too, but too many of them were coming out as ties, so I will have to give it a longer thought!

UPDATE:
Here are my votes -
Pair 1 - ’81
Pair 2 - tie: Baby Birch / Emily
Pair 3 - Soft As Chalk
Pair 4 - Cosmia
Pair 5 - Only Skin
Pair 6 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pair 7 - Anecdotes
Pair 8 - Divers
Pair 9 - Go Long
Pair 10 - Kingfisher

I aim to put up a new set of pairings in a few hours; time (Saturday night / Sunday morning, 2-3 Dec, UK time)

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 03:13
by Steve

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2017, 03:42
by Steve
VII JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT 2017
FOURTH & FINAL ROUND FOUR
SET B


Please choose your favourite song in each of the pairs below. Voting for these pairs will stay open until at least 3:45am (UK time) on Thursday 7th December 2017:

Pair 11 - Emily ― Swansea
Pair 12 - Time, As A Symptom ― Sawdust & Diamonds
Pair 13 - ’81 ― Divers
Pair 14 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) ― Have One On Me
Pair 15 - Goose Eggs ― In California
Pair 16 - Only Skin ― Soft As Chalk
Pair 17 - Cosmia ― Kingfisher
Pair 18 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne ― Anecdotes
Pair 19 - Go Long ― Baby Birch
Pair 20 - Sprout And The Bean ― Sadie

Re: VII Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2017

PostPosted: 07 Dec 2017, 10:19
by Steve
Here are my votes -
Pair 11 - Emily
Pair 12 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pair 13 - Divers
Pair 14 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop)
Pair 15 - In California
Pair 16 - Only Skin
Pair 17 - tie: Cosmia ― Kingfisher
Pair 18 - Anecdotes
Pair 19 - tie: Go Long ― Baby Birch
Pair 20 - Sadie