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Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2016, 03:36
by Headless_Caboose
Set 9 - Pairings 49 to 54
A FINAL
Pairing A-49 - Emily
Pairing A-50 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-51 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-52 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-53 - Only Skin
Pairing A-54 - Sawdust & Diamonds
B FINAL
Pairing B-49 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-50 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-51 - Esme
Pairing B-52 - Easy
Pairing B-53 - Go Long
Pairing B-54 - Monkey & Bear
C FINAL
Pairing C-49 - Swansea
Pairing C-50 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-51 - No Provenance
Pairing C-52 - '81
Pairing C-53 - Autumn
Pairing C-54 - Leaving The City

Set 10 - Pairings 55 to 60
A FINAL
Pairing A-55 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-56 - Emily
Pairing A-57 - Soft As Chalk
Pairing A-58 - Only Skin
Pairing A-59 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-60 - Anecdotes
B FINAL
Pairing B-55 - Divers
Pairing B-56 - Easy
Pairing B-57 - Esme
Pairing B-58 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-59 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-60 - Goose Eggs
C FINAL
Pairing C-55 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-56 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-57 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-58 - Autumn
Pairing C-59 - '81
Pairing C-60 - No Provenance

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2016, 12:32
by Julia
Set 9 - Pairings 49 to 54
A FINAL
Pairing A-49 - Emily
Pairing A-50 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-51 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-52 - Have One On Me || Sapokanikan = TIE
Pairing A-53 - Only Skin
Pairing A-54 - Sawdust & Diamonds
B FINAL
Pairing B-49 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-50 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-51 - Goose Eggs || Esme = TIE
Pairing B-52 - Easy || Peach, Plum, Pear = TIE
Pairing B-53 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-54 - Divers
C FINAL
Pairing C-49 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-50 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-51 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-52 - '81
Pairing C-53 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-54 - Leaving The City

Set 10 - Pairings 55 to 60
A FINAL
Pairing A-55 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-56 - Have One On Me || Emily = TIE
Pairing A-57 - Soft As Chalk
Pairing A-58 - Only Skin
Pairing A-59 - Sapokanikan || Baby Birch = TIE
Pairing A-60 - Anecdotes
B FINAL
Pairing B-55 - Divers
Pairing B-56 - Easy
Pairing B-57 - Ribbon Bows || Esme = TIE
Pairing B-58 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-59 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-60 - Time, As A Symptom
C FINAL
Pairing C-55 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-56 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-57 - Inflammatory Writ
Pairing C-58 - Autumn
Pairing C-59 - '81
Pairing C-60 - Jackrabbits

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2016, 12:46
by Steve
Thank you for your votes, Headless_Caboose and Julia.
If anyone else is considering their votes for these sets, please post them here in the next 11 hours or so, as voting closes at midnight (UK time) tonight, and I will then put up the eleventh and final sets of this year's JNST.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2016, 19:26
by solfatara
Set 9 - Pairings 49 to 54
A FINAL
Pairing A-49 - Emily
Pairing A-50 - In California
Pairing A-51 - Kingfisher
Pairing A-52 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-53 - Only Skin
Pairing A-54 - Sawdust & Diamonds
B FINAL
Pairing B-49 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-50 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-51 - Esme
Pairing B-52 - Easy
Pairing B-53 - Go Long || Ribbon Bows (tie)
Pairing B-54 - Divers
C FINAL
Pairing C-49 - Swansea
Pairing C-50 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-51 - No Provenance
Pairing C-52 - '81
Pairing C-53 - Autumn
Pairing C-54 - Leaving The City

Set 10 - Pairings 55 to 60
A FINAL
Pairing A-55 - In California || Sawdust & Diamonds (tie)
Pairing A-56 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-57 - Soft As Chalk
Pairing A-58 - Only Skin
Pairing A-59 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-60 - Kingfisher || Anecdotes (tie)
B FINAL
Pairing B-55 - Divers
Pairing B-56 - Easy
Pairing B-57 - Ribbon Bows
Pairing B-58 - Go Long
Pairing B-59 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-60 - Time, As A Symptom
C FINAL
Pairing C-55 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-56 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-57 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-58 - Autumn
Pairing C-59 - '81
Pairing C-60 - No Provenance

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 26 Nov 2016, 23:59
by Steve

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 27 Nov 2016, 00:02
by Steve
Below is the eleventh and final set of pairings for this year's Joanna Newsom Song Tournament - just one set this time, which will now mean that each song has been paired once with each of the eleven others in its division.

Please post your votes during the coming week, as I aim to close the voting at 11:59pm UK time next Saturday, 3rd December 2016. After that, the final results will be revealed.


Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes || Baby Birch
Pairing A-62 - Cosmia || Sapokanikan
Pairing A-63 - Sadie || In California
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin || Emily
Pairing A-65 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Have One On Me
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher || Soft As Chalk
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Time, As A Symptom || Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-62 - Good Intentions Paving Co. || Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-63 - Esme || "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-64 - Go Long || Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-65 - Divers || Easy
Pairing B-66 - Goose Eggs || Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits || Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-62 - Swansea || '81
Pairing C-63 - Bridges And Balloons || A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-64 - Autumn || You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City || On A Good Day
Pairing C-66 - No Provenance || Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2016, 01:17
by under a CPell
Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-62 - Cosmia=Sapokanikan tied
Pairing A-63 - Sadie
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin
Pairing A-65 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-62 - Good Intentions Paving Co.=Peach, Plum, Pear tied
Pairing B-63 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-64 - Go Long=Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne tied
Pairing B-65 - Divers=Easy tied
Pairing B-66 - Goose Eggs
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - Swansea='81 tied
Pairing C-63 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-66 - No Provenance

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2016, 01:42
by madpawn
Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-62 - Cosmia
Pairing A-63 - Sadie || In California TIE
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin
Pairing A-65 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-62 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-63 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-64 - Go Long
Pairing B-65 - Easy
Pairing B-66 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - Swansea
Pairing C-63 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-66 - No Provenance

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2016, 09:54
by solfatara
Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-62 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-63 - In California
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin
Pairing A-65 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Have One On Me (tie)
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-62 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-63 - Esme
Pairing B-64 - Go Long
Pairing B-65 - Divers
Pairing B-66 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - Swansea
Pairing C-63 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-66 - No Provenance

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2016, 19:20
by Julia
Thank you very much for organising this, Steve!! ... And going through with it despite the dwindling user numbers here.
I'm a little surprised that the recent album hasn't been more successful after a year of getting more and more familiar with the songs.

However, my votes are:

Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-62 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-63 - In California
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin || Emily (TIE)
Pairing A-65 - Sawdust & Diamonds || Have One On Me (TIE)
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-62 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-63 - Esme
Pairing B-64 - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Pairing B-65 - Divers
Pairing B-66 - Goose Eggs || Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - '81
Pairing C-63 - A Pin-Light Bent
Pairing C-64 - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-66 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 01 Dec 2016, 23:03
by Adam
Thank you for the potted history, Steve! I've listened to both the EPs at least a couple times but I've never spent a lot of time with them. I would find them interesting from an historical point of view but for now I prefer the "official" releases if for no other reason than they have better production qualities, and arguably better versions of many of the songs. Personally I prefer the shorter version of "En Gallop(!)".

I guess we'll see how the final scores go, Julia, but for me I don't think I've voted for all that many Divers songs as although I rate it as one of my all-time favourite albums, I find some of the songs weak on their own merits -- so they don't fit that well into the format of the tournament. For example, I think every song on Ys is great individually and I would rank them all above (say) "Same Old Man" or "The Things I Say".

On to the votes...

A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Baby Birch
Pairing A-62 - Sapokanikan
Pairing A-63 - Sadie
Pairing A-64 - Emily
Pairing A-65 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-62 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-63 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-64 - Go Long
Pairing B-65 - Divers
Pairing B-66 - Goose Eggs
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - '81
Pairing C-63 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - Leaving The City
Pairing C-66 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2016, 16:58
by Headless_Caboose
In response to Julia's comment I would say that a year after diver's release and I have very polarized responses to different songs on the album. My favourite songs continue to grow in stature in my mind (especially Anecdotes and Sapokanikan, but really the whole first half) but others, especially the second half of the album, fall a bit flat for me in comparison with her earlier work. It's not that I dislike them exactly, but they just leave me feeling a bit 'meh'.

I'm interested to see where Make Hay will fall over time. Right now I would place it among the top five songs from Divers. But in a year, who knows how it might change.

Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes
Pairing A-62 - Cosmia
Pairing A-63 - In California
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin
Pairing A-65 - Have One On Me
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Monkey & Bear
Pairing B-62 - Good Intentions Paving Co.
Pairing B-63 - Esme
Pairing B-64 - Go Long
Pairing B-65 - Easy
Pairing B-66 - Ribbon Bows
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Jackrabbits
Pairing C-62 - '81
Pairing C-63 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-66 - No Provenance

Steve: considering the traffic on Milky Moon has fallen so sharply I wonder you would be interested in organizing next year's contest through the Facebook group? A separate group page could be set up specifically for the contest so that the responses wouldn't overwhelm the main page - but I'm sure you'd get a much higher turn out. I hate to give in to FB as a corporate platform (whose layout and functionality still annoys me), but for better or worse that's where the fans are convening at the moment. Thoughts anyone?

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2016, 18:57
by Adam
Re moving to Facebook, I guess that's up to Steve and what value he places on having more participants.

The main problem with the Facebook groups is that they are something of a maelstrom -- it is much harder there to keep track of threads over a period of weeks, and Facebook's algorithms tend to display posts with most activity, disfavouring quieter, older posts, and thereby leading to 1) an echo chamber in which the slower posts get left behind 2) a bias towards more contentious posts (as these tend to generate more activity).

The tournament was publicised on the main Facebook group but I'm not sure how well that message spread.

In fact, I might go over and make a post now, publicising the forums in general that is. Recent events on the Facebook groups might make this an apposite time to reverse the diaspora.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2016, 19:08
by Steve
Thank you for your votes, Under a CPell, madpawn, solfatara, Julia, Adam, and Headless_Caboose. To everyone else, there are now only about 5 hours left to get your votes in for this the final act in the 2016 Joanna Newsom Song Tournament. Thank you, too, for some interesting comments.

Julia - thank you for your kind words. In relation to the points raised by you and Adam, I would also concur that Divers works best as a whole - for instance, Time, As A Symptom makes a fine closer, and the two songs on either sides of the title track (The Things I Say and especially Same Old Man) work perfectly to bookend Divers, but each of these three songs is, to me at least, less arresting as a stand-alone piece. That is no criticism, but just making the point that hey will perhaps under-achieve in the context of a JNST.

I also tend to agree with Headless_Caboose, though, that once I've listened past the song Divers on the new album, I feel that the best is behind me. Again, that sounds like I am doing the album down, which I am not - it is bar far my most listened to album of 2016, and that's from start to finish. Make Hay didn't
really grab me on the few listens I've given it: my first reaction was that I could see why it was omitted from the album, and I would categorise it somewhat like Colleen, which is not one of my favourites.

In the meantime, here are my votes for the eleventh and final set:

Final Set 11 - Pairings 61 to 66
A FINAL
Pairing A-61 - Anecdotes = Baby Birch TIE
Pairing A-62 - Cosmia
Pairing A-63 - In California
Pairing A-64 - Only Skin
Pairing A-65 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Pairing A-66 - Kingfisher = Soft As Chalk TIE
B FINAL
Pairing B-61 - Time, As A Symptom
Pairing B-62 - Peach, Plum, Pear
Pairing B-63 - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Pairing B-64 - Go Long
Pairing B-65 - Divers
Pairing B-66 - Goose Eggs = Ribbon Bows TIE
C FINAL
Pairing C-61 - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Pairing C-62 - Swansea
Pairing C-63 - Bridges And Balloons
Pairing C-64 - Autumn
Pairing C-65 - On A Good Day
Pairing C-66 - Inflammatory Writ

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 03 Dec 2016, 19:14
by Steve
Hi Adam - thank you for your input, which came between me starting my message and hitting SUBMIT. You've actually touched upon one or two the areas that I was unsure / concerned about on FB, which is interesting, but I'd need to learn a bit more about how it works to see how best to adapt JNST to work there - or at least to have input from FB-users, even if it continues to be 'hosted' here where I am comfortable with the format and can keep an eye on it.

Mind you, that's not to say that I have a "monopoly" on the JNST: it was originally mooted in 2011 by a user called Lawns Of Dawns (who's not been here in quite a while, I believe), and I put it together only because no-one else had. I really enjoy doing it, too, but if another user would like to do it, with perhaps some fresh ideas and a familiarity with the other platform, the I wouldn't throw any toys out of the pram.

Speaking of which ... so what has been going on over at FB? Can you spill the beans, Adam, so I can share in the gossip!

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Dec 2016, 00:12
by Steve

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Dec 2016, 01:02
by Steve


Here is the final ordered list of all songs in this year's tournament:

1 Only Skin
2 Emily
3 Have One On Me
4 Sawdust & Diamonds
5 Cosmia
6 Anecdotes
7 In California
8 Baby Birch
9 Sapokanikan
10 Kingfisher
11 Sadie
12 Soft As Chalk
13 Divers
14 Go Long
15 Monkey & Bear
16 Good Intentions Paving Company
17 Easy
18 Peach, Plum, Pear
19 En Gallop! / "En Gallop"
20 Esme
21 Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
22 Time, As a Symptom
23 Ribbon Bows
24 Goose Eggs
25 Autumn
26 Leaving The City
27 A Pin-Light Bent
28 ’81
29 Swansea
30 No Provenance
31 Jackrabbits
32 On A Good Day
33 Bridges And Balloons
34 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
35 Inflammatory Writ
36 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
37 Sprout And The Bean
38 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
39 Flying A Kite
40 You and Me, Bess
41 Occident
42 The Book Of Right-On
43 Erin
44 Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)
45 Same Old Man
46 What We Have Known
47 This Side Of The Blue
48 The Fray
49 Colleen
=50 Cassiopeia
=50 Untitled Harp Music / Prepared Harp. Improv. [DB,JN,V]
=50 Instrumental 1999
53 Yarn And Glue
54 Three Little Babes
55 The Things I Say
56 The Man Who Ran The Town [HS,JN]
=57 Another Day [RH,JN]
=57 Ring The Living Bell [JN,S,WW]
=57 Little Wing
60 Albatross
61 Swift Nude [P]
62 This Is Just To Say
63 The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
64 If I Were [VB]
65 Tom Bombadil
=66 Shame [DB,JN,V…]
=66 Eleven Continents [RF,LM]
=66 Exit / Orderly Manor [P]
69 Man’s Road
70 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
71 Picture [RP,JN]
72 No Style [P]
73 Sycamore [BC]
74 Bring Me Down [GS]
75 Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
76 Rock Bottom Riser [S]
77 Against The Sky [VB]
78 Mountain [GS]
79 Secret [P]
80 Sympathy [GS]
81 Lifetime [RF,LM]
82 Angel
83 Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
=84 Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG,CG,CD,JN]
=84 Life’s A Happy Song Finale [M]
=84 I'm Already Gone / Already Gone [P]
=84 River Guard [BC]
=84 He Needs Me
=84 Hear Me Marching [P]
=84 Spooks [JG,GC,DG,JN]
=84 We Are The Doctor [P]
=84 Amour Fou [V,JN,AC,DB]
=84 Our Anniversary [S]
=94 One Horse [P]
=94 Orange Peter [P]
=94 About Me [P]
=94 The Conversation [P]
=94 Happy Birthday To You
=94 Let Go [P]
=94 Never Come Home [P]
=94 Don't Make Things [P]
=94 If You Can Afford It [P]
=94 Intermission / I The Province [P]
=94 The Orchard [PG,JN,TF]
=94 The Wheel [BC]
=94 Oh Canada [P]
=94 Wake Up Instead [P]
=94 Untitled [from One Piece From The Middle] [P]
=94 You & Me [KB]
=94 Beautiful Child
=94 Another Disaster [P]
=112 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
=112 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]
=114 7 Minutes In Heaven [MO,JN]
=114 Nonrum Nonproblem [NC]
=114 Ras Trent [LI]
=114 France [PG,JN,TF]
=114 Ill Pearls [NC]
=114 Mountain & Bear [KB]
=114 Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC]
=114 The Muppet Show Theme [M]
=114 Dreams [DB,JN,V]
=114 Little Picture Of You [KB]
=114 Through The Trees [RF,LM]
=114 Franks Vs Frank [NC]
=114 Roots [DB,JN,V]
=114 The French Lieutenant's Dreams [JN,TF]
=114 Setting the Bushes On Fire [NC]
=114 We Are A Crowd [LI]
=114 Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
=114 Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC]
=114 Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC]
=114 R.U. In [P]
=114 Amerilie [V]
=114 Rice Precipitation [NC]
n/a Make Hay - this song was released when the competition was already at an advanced stage, and so was not entered

So Only Skin reaffirmed its status as our favourite Joanna Newsom song to date, in the end winning with a comfortable points margin after recording eleven straight wins in the final. Indeed, its closest scores were 4-2 (against Have One On Me) and 4½-2½ (against Sapokanikan).

Ys songs occupied four of the top five places, only Have One On Me breaking the monopoly from that album. These four Ys songs (Only Skin, Emily, Cosmia, and Sawdust & Diamonds) have all appeared in the top six in each of the six editions of the JNST, with the single exception that S&D dropped to 11th last year.

The best performing song from Divers this year was Anecdotes, which was comfortably ahead, in points terms, of its nearest challenger from that album, Sapokanikan (9th).

The Milk-Eyed Mender had only one representative in the top division, Sadie finishing 11th.

Division Two also featured at least one song from each of the main albums, with Divers providing both the top (the title track) and bottom (Goose Eggs) songs in this section.

Division Three was a real mixed bag of songs in my opinion, and it was very close at the top. '81 actually polled the most votes, but finished down in 4th place, behind three songs which won nine of their eleven pairings, Autumn, Leaving The City, and A Pin-Light Bent respectively.

Next I will post an analysis of the all-time results of JNST.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Dec 2016, 03:52
by Steve
Here are the consolidated results of all six Joanna Newsom Song Tournaments, listing the songs in order of their aggregated positions.

The song titles are colour coded according to which album they come from -
MEM
Ys
HOOM
Divers
Miscellaneous

2016 Title

0001 Only Skin

0002 Emily

0004 Sawdust & Diamonds

0007 In California

0003 Have One On Me

0005 Cosmia

0008 Baby Birch

0014 Go Long

0009 Sapokanikan

0015 Monkey & Bear

0010 Kingfisher

0011 Sadie

0016 Good Intentions Paving Company

0017 Easy

0021 Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

0029 Swansea

0012 Soft As Chalk

0022 Time, As A Symptom

0049 Colleen

0027 A Pin-Light Bent

0034 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie

0018 Peach, Plum, Pear

0019 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

0024 Goose Eggs

0036 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

0028 ’81

0033 Bridges And Balloons

0013 Divers

0032 On A Good Day

0044 Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)

0026 Leaving The City

0020 Esme

0025 Autumn

0037 Sprout And The Bean

0030 No Provenance

0039 Flying A Kite

0040 You And Me, Bess

0042 The Book Of Right-On

0046 What We Have Known

0041 Occident

0038 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

0023 Ribbon Bows

0006 Anecdotes

0047 This Side Of The Blue

0035 Inflammatory Writ

0043 Erin

0031 Jackrabbits

0053 Yarn And Glue

0055 The Things I Say

=050 Cassiopeia

0048 The Fray

=050 Instrumental 1999

0054 Three Little Babes

=057 Little Wing

0056 The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]

=057 Another Day [RH/JN]

0070 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

0060 Albatross

0064 If I Were [VB]

0076 Rock Bottom Riser [S]

=057 Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]

0069 Man’s Road

0065 Tom Bombadil

=050 Prepared Harp Improv./Untitled Harp Music

0075 Kindness Be Conceived [TG]

=084 Our Anniversary [S]

0077 Against The Sky [VB]

0083 Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]

0073 Sycamore [BC]

0063 The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]

=084 Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]

0074 Bring Me Down [GS]

0082 Angel

0080 Sympathy [GS]

0081 Lifetime [RF/LM]

=066 Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P]

=084 Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN]

=084 River Guard [BC]

=112 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]

=066 Shame [DB/V/JN+friends]

0071 Picture [RP/JN]

0045 Same Old Man

=084 We Are The Doctor [P]

=084 Amour Fou [V]

=094 Never Come Home [P]

=084 He Needs Me

0072 No Style [P]

=066 Eleven Continents [RF/LM]

=094 You & Me [KB]

0078 Mountain [GS]

0061 Swift Nude [P]

=114 Through The Trees [RF/LM]

=094 If You Can Afford It [P]

=094 Oh Canada [P]

=114 Amerilie [V]

=094 Intermission (aka I The Province) [P]

0079 Secret [P]

=094 Don't Make Things [P]

=094 Another Disaster [P]

=084 Life's A Happy Song Finale [M]

=094 Happy Birthday To You
=094 Beautiful Child

0062 This Is Just To Say

=084 I'm Already Gone (aka Already Gone) [P]

=094 untitled (from One Piece From The Middle) [P]

=114 Franks Vs Frank [NC]

=094 The Wheel [BC]

=094 One Horse [P]

=084 Hear Me Marching [P]

=094 About Me [P]

=094 Orange Peter [P]

=094 Wake Up Instead [P]

=114 Mountain & Bear [KB]

=094 Let Go [P]

=094 The Conversation [P]

=114 The Muppet Show Theme [M]

=112 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]

=114 Roots [DB/V/JN/E/SN]

=114 Dreams [DB/JN/V]

=094 The Orchard [PG/JN/TF]

=114 Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC]

=114 Little Picture Of You [KB]

=114 Ras Trent [LI]

=114 Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC]

=114 R.U. In [P]

=114 Ill Pearls [NC]

=114 Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
=114 Rice Precipitation [NC]

=114 Setting The Bushes On Fire [NC]

=114 France [PG/JN/TF]
=114 The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN/TF]

=114 Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC]
=114 Nonrum Nonproblem [NC]

=114 7 Minutes In Heaven [MOB/JN]

=114 We Are A Crowd [LI]

---- Make Hay

There are 135 songs listed above, plus one at the foot of the list which has not appeared in any JNST.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Dec 2016, 18:28
by Adam
Thanks very much for organising this, Steve. It looks like a lot of work, especially the final reckoning.

It surprises me that "Anecdotes" came out ahead of "Sapokanikan"; I thought that the latter was a firm fan favourite. I suppose that is reflected in the average results though, just not this year. And "Only Skin" remains undefeated! It is a shame that "Make Hay" missed out on the chance to compete.

Re: the parallel, massively-off-topic conversation going on here (hey, at least only having one active thread on here makes it easy to keep up with new posts...)

In regards to running the tournament again: I think it would be a case of seeing what the 'landscape' of the community looks like at the time (in another six or twelve months, I'm guessing?).

In regard to the drama: in a nutshell, a flamewar erupted after someone posted a recent video of JN on stage at I think a Golden Shoulders gig, in what appeared to be maternity wear. There was some speculation, obviously, but that was a matchstick in comparison to the furnace of debate as to whether it was an appropriate thing to be talking about. The sad fact is that I imagine many people didn't care that much either way about the initial speculation, but it was always at the top of the group and so the flames kept getting fanned until it was closed, and shortly after, deleted.

A little before that, in some kind of unwitting parody of the Judean People's Front (or was it the People's Front of Judea?), the volume of Biggus Trumpus debate that wafted in caused some of the more left-leaning elements to break away to a separate group. It's been truly astonishing to follow.

I have mooted the idea of moving some of the more involved discussion, such as analysis of lyrics, elsewhere (maybe back to these forums). It has received a little attention, but I only posted it yesterday evening and already you would have to scroll past some 15 posts to find it again! :(

So, we shall see.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 04 Dec 2016, 22:46
by Steve