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Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 09 Jun 2016, 11:14
by Steve
Greetings one and all ... of those few who are still around!

Now that we're into the second half of the year, I'd like to run another JNST on here. But my questions are ...
1. Would anyone vote?
2. Is someone already doing a better / better subscribed one somewhere else, in which case mine would be a bit superfluous?

Thank you for your views.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 09 Jun 2016, 19:13
by Alex Ysoltsev
Hello Steve!
1. I would be happy to participate.
2. There was some kind of tournament last year in the Facebook group. It was better attended but poorer organized. And I guess to see its results now, one has to scroll quite a lot.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 09 Jun 2016, 19:36
by solfatara
Hi, Steve!
I'd be very excited to participate in this year's JNST! With the new album and some difficult new choices I think it would be a shame to skip it this year.
The facebook group's polls are fun and well-attended but not nearly as exciting and well-organised as the ones you curate.

This has been mentioned on an earlier occasion but I think, considering the level of activity on milkymoon at the present moment, that it would be an idea to advertise the tournament on the facebook group to rack up the participation just a notch. It could also potentially see some more changes in outcomes, which would be interesting. I'd be happy to do it if you're comfortable with this(:

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 10 Jun 2016, 22:36
by Steve
Hello Alex and Solfatara

Thank you both for your support and kind comments. With valued and long-standing members like you in favour, I will set about organising as usual then. I am toying with some form of 'Swiss System' used for chess tournaments, but that might make for just too many options so I will give it a little more thought over the next week or so, and then start posting the instructions and the pairings.

Solfatara - yes please: I would be glad if you could advertise the tournament on FaceBook, as I don't use it myself. I believe it has an age-limit and I don't fall into it :)

If FB members want to participate, but don't want to go through the rigmarole of registering here, I suppose it would be OK if you (or someone else ... it may be an arduous job ... but best if only one MM member in any case) were to collate the votes from there and transmit them to me via MilkyMoon, that would be a good way to open the polls up a bit and perhaps make for some interesting outcomes as you suggest. I have had a special 'incentive' for long-standing MilkyMooners who were unfamiliar with some of the more obscure songs in Joanna's portfolio, and I am happy to continue that on here - but I don't think I would be comfortable throwing it open to the whole FB community though. They'll have to do their own research!

PS - Does anyone have any information as to whether Joanna participated in either of the "ensemble' pieces at the Fleetwood Mac event, or did she only appear on the song she sang solo? Perhaps someone here (or on FB) attended the concert and could give a definitive answer.

Thanks once again
- Steve

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Jun 2016, 11:52
by under a CPell
I would also like to take part in the next JNST, Steve, but I will be skipping the preliminary "obscure" round, if you don't mind.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Jun 2016, 17:24
by Adam
I'd also happily join in, though I am travelling a bit this summer so might find it difficult to keep up with all the rounds.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 12 Jun 2016, 23:31
by Steve
Thank you both for your support, under a CPell and Adam. The tournament is designed so that you can dip in and out of it as you please, so although it's great if you can vote in as many rounds as possible, you can still make a valuable contribution to the outcome if you don't take part at every stage.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 13 Jun 2016, 01:50
by followerofmen
I'll happily participate, but my knowledge of Milk Eyed M ender and obscurities is distressingly low. More than happy to give my voting opinion on the last three records and Colleen however.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2016, 10:23
by Jordan~
I'll participate in the later rounds, at least! I think gauging (albeit from an ever-shrinking sample) changes over time in song preference is a good Joannalogical service.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 15 Jun 2016, 14:56
by Steve
Thank you, follwerofmen and Jordan ~

I too am intrigued by following the year-on-year trends of our combined tastes. For future Joannologists to ponder over!

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 30 Aug 2016, 22:14
by Steve


I am pleased to launch the sixth Joanna Newsom Song Tournament, our attempt to discover the song that our community loves the most (and in doing so, rank all the others, too).
Before I begin, I would like to thank Solfatara – her little prompt was what I needed to finally kick this off after weeks of procrastination. And once again, my acknowledgements to Lawns of Dawns and to Jesse, who suggested the idea in the first place, back in 2011.
This long post will give the basic rules, which are virtually unchanged from last time, so you are welcome to skip them and get straight down to casting your votes based on the first match-ups which will appear in my next post below.
I would like to offer some assistance to regular MilkyMooners who might not be familiar with some or all of the non-canonical songs. If you’ve been a member for a while, and are interested enough in the JNST to have voted before, or at least made some postings on here in the past (or can otherwise make a good case) please send me a PM and I’ll try to help.

On that topic, does anyone have audio files of the songs performed with Philip Glass & Tim Fain that they would be prepared to send me, please? (That is: France, The Orchard, The French Lieutenant's Dreams). Also, any Joanna material that’s on the ‘director’s cut’ of Family Jams, but not on the new DVD; and of the impromptu "Happy Birthday To You" she performed at one of her concerts, I believe late in 2015 for a band member. And there are still a couple of questions that remain unanswered: I’d be grateful if anyone could advise
a) Did Joanna appear on any song at the Fleetwood Mac tribute other than “Beautiful Child”. I am aware that the show opener was “Tusk”, and that a group performance of “Don’t Stop” closed the show, but have not seen any evidence that Joanna appeared on either of these songs, and so I have not included them as yet.
b) Did Joanna appear on the finale to the Muppets soundtrack, “Life’s A Happy Song”. It’s listed as an entire cast performance, so I have included it in the JNST, while aware that this is perhaps inconsistent with (a) above.
c) Little Picture of You: Joanna is not credited for this track on Kevin Barker's 2010 album, but did she guest on a live or unreleased version?? - I have continued to include this song in the JNST.

RULES

1. The tournament is intended to find (in a fun way) the best-loved Joanna Newsom song (whether she appears as a solo artist or as a part – no matter how small – of a collaboration, and including songs that she did not write herself). It is driven by the votes of members of this MilkyMoon site. The tournament is thus between the songs and not between the people who are involved in it as voters.

2. Each SONG that Joanna has performed is one entry. This means that songs that have been recorded more than once count as a single entrant, and voters are asked to consider their personal favourite version when casting their votes. As well as the songs on Joanna's four official albums [including ‘Divers’], her two early self-released EPs, and her handful of official singles, the tournament is also open to any song (or other scripted or lyrical piece, poem, etc) that she has ever performed, either solo or in collaboration with another artist or a group, so long as it is known to exist by the tournament organiser. (This, by default, is me, but it doesn't mean I have to have heard the song, but just that I have to know it has been performed; it can include songs only performed "live" as well as officially released songs). Where the same song is known by more than one title, it is still only entered once, and will be known by the most official title, or (if none, or more than one) by the title chosen by the organiser; all versions can however be considered by the voters. (eg: if you want to vote for En Gallop!, you can do so by selecting "En Gallop").

3. The organiser will draw the songs into a series of Groups or pairs, to be posted in this thread. MilkyMoon members are then invited to vote for their favourite song (or songs - see instructions posted at the time of the draw) in each Group, within a specified time limit. At the expiry of that time period (perhaps slightly extended, depending on when the organiser gets here to close off the round), the votes will be counted up, and the most popular song in each group will progress to the next round, whereupon the process described in paragraph 3 will be repeated. The following provisions will also apply:
a) The draw will include an element of 'seeding', based on the song's performance in previous JNSTs, or in previous rounds of this JNST, to try to ensure that the most popular songs do not clash at earlier stages of the tournament.
b) If voters are asked to cast more than one vote per group, these can be ordered according to instructions posted at the time of each specific draw - for example, if two songs are to be chosen, these may be allocated 2 points for a first choice, and 1 point for a second choice. If your vote is ambiguous, I'll do my best to resolve it privately, but if this proves impossible I'll have to make a sensible decision on how to treat it.
c) If a voter is unable to choose between more than one song, their vote(s) will be regarded as shared equally between the songs involved, unless he or she makes it clear that they do not like any of the songs in a particular group, in which case no vote will be counted for that voter for that group.
d) The organiser will endeavour to make the draws as neutral as possible, for example by scrambling the order of groups and the order in which songs are presented within each group.
e) Depending on the exact number of songs entered in the initial draw, it is possible that wild-card places in a subsequent round may be allocated to the "best losers" (however defined) from the previous round, with the proviso that no song can receive two such wild-cards during the course of the same tournament. An asterisk (*) will be appended to the song’s title as a reminder that it has already received one such wild-card, and cannot do so again.

4. The final stage may follow the same pattern, or may be constituted as a series of "head to head" pairings on a round-robin basis involving 12 songs. An element in ordering the songs in the Final may be a brought forward 'bonus score' derived from voting in earlier rounds, but this will form only a minor part of the total weighting. (The final stages will decide the positions of the songs which reach that stage, and the lower positions will be determined by analysis of the results of the earlier rounds, possibly with a subsidiary vote for some of the positions).

For those that aren't interested in the mechanics - don't worry: all I invite you to do is to do is cast your votes for each group in the period stated. Please only post them in this thread, and if you change your mind (within the time limit) please do so by making a NEW post, and not by editing your initial one, as I could miss this if I've done an intermediate count and look only for later postings. The key things to remember are:
Don't rush your Qualifying Round votes ... take your time to consider, seek out, and listen again to these less familiar songs: PM me if you’re a regular MilkyMooner who would like some help in doing so.
ALL versions of a song count towards a single entry. For example, if you're asked to consider Cosmia, cast your vote on the basis of the version you like the best, whether it's one of the officially released versions on Ys or the Colleen EP, or one of any number of unreleased, bootlegged, unofficial, live, YouTube etc versions.
Please try to vote before the deadline that I state. I won't close a round before that date / time, but as soon as the deadline has elapsed, I am liable to close it at any time. I will, however, include votes cast between the announced deadline and the actual close of the round. All times / dates referred to are based on UK time (that's BST – British Summer Time – until 30 October, and then Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) which is one hour behind GMT - ie GMT-1).

Collaborations are indicated in square brackets, [...], and are abbreviated as follows:
BC = Bill Callaghan (also known as Smog, qv)
CD = Clive Deamer
CG = Clive Greenwood
DB = Devendra Banhart
DG = Danny Goffey
E = Espers
GC = Gaz Coombes
GS = Golden Shoulders
HS = Hard Skin
JG = Jonny Greenwood
KB = Kevin Barker
LI = The Lonely Island
LM = Lili De La Mora
M = The Muppets
MB = The Moore Brothers
MO = Mike O'Brien
NC = Nervous Cop
P = The Pleased
PG = Philip Glass
RF = Ryan Francesconi
RH = Roy Harper
RP = Robin Pecknold
S = Smog (also known as Bill Callaghan, qv)
SN = Stacy Nuner
TF = Tim Fain
TG = Thao & The Get Down Stay Down (Thao is Thao Nguyen)
V = Vetiver
VB = Vashti Bunyan
WW = Weird War
JN = Joanna Newsom, including Joanna Newsom & The Ys Street Band - not shown unless her name appears as part of the credited artists.

ENTRIES

Below is a list of songs to be included in the tournament, in approximate chronological order of release - or where no official release is available - of (earliest known) performance date. Note that Same Old Man (performed in Jan 2008 with Kevin Barker) is now listed within the album Divers. The list is almost the same as in 2015, but there are two additional songs that have not appeared before, and these are listed at the end .

WALNUT WHALES (2002)
Erin
Cassiopeia
Peach, Plum, Pear
Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Flying A Kite
The Fray
En Gallop! [later re-recorded as “En Gallop”]
The Book Of Right-On

ONE PIECE FROM THE MIDDLE (Aug 2002) – The Pleased
One Horse
Swift Nude
If You Can Afford It
Untitled
No Style
Another Disaster
Let Go
The Conversation
Intermission [later reissued as I The Province]
About Me
I'm Already Gone [later reissued as Already Gone]
Orange Peter
Secret
R.U. In
Exit [later reissued as Orderly Manor]

LET MY BURDEN BE (Oct 2002) – Golden Shoulders
Do You Know Who You Are?
Bring Me Down
The Honey, The Power, The Light (Kyle's Blues)
Sympathy

YARN AND GLUE (Nov 2003)
Sprout And The Bean
This Side Of The Blue
Yarn And Glue
What We Have Known
Bridges And Balloons

DON’T MAKE THINGS (Nov 2003) – The Pleased
We Are The Doctor
Wake Up Instead
Never Come Home
Oh Canada
Don't Make Things

NRVSCP (Nov 2003) – Nervous Cop
Setting the Bushes On Fire
Rice Precipitation
Nonrum Nonproblem
Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context
Ill Pearls
Franks Vs Frank
Colorchains Of Inner Space
Nuflesh, Old Thirst
Pow Strikes Pow Implosion
The Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself

THE MILK-EYED MENDER (Mar 2004)
Sadie
Inflammatory Writ
Swansea
Three Little Babes

VETIVER (May 2004) – Vetiver
Amerilie

Unreleased (2004) – Vetiver, Joanna Newson, Andy Cabic, Devendra Banhart
Amour Fou

Unreleased Demo (Oct 2004) – The Pleased
Hear Me Marching

Unreleased (Nov 2004)
Man’s Road

Unreleased (Dec 2004) – Joanna Newsom, Smog & Weird War
Ring The Living Bell

Unreleased (Jan 2005)
Angel
Little Wing

A RIVER AIN’T TOO MUCH TO LOVE (May 2005) - Smog
Rock Bottom Riser

LOOKAFTERING (Oct 2005) – Vashti Bunyan
Against The Sky
If I Were

Unreleased (Sep 2006) - Smog
Our Anniversary

Unreleased (Nov 2006)
Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

YS (Nov 2006)
Emily
Monkey & Bear
Sawdust & Diamonds
Only Skin
Cosmia

COLLEEN (Apr 2007) – Joanna Newsom & The Ys Street Band
Colleen

WOKE ON A WHALEHEART (Apr 2007) - Bill Callaghan
The Wheel

Unreleased (Apr 2007) – Bill Callaghan
Sycamore
River Guard

ELEVEN CONTINENTS (Jul 2007) – RF & Lili De La Mora
Through The Trees
Eleven Continents
Lifetime

INCREDIBAD (Feb 2009) – The Lonely Island
Ras Trent

APTOS (Mar 2009) – The Moore Brothers
Good Heart, Money And Rain

GET REASONABLE (May 2009) – Golden Shoulders
Mountain

YOU & ME (Jan 2010) – Kevin Barker
Little Picture Of You
You & Me
Mountain & Bear

HAVE ONE ON ME (Feb 2010)
Easy
Have One On Me
’81
Good Intentions Paving Company
No Provenance
Baby Birch
On A Good Day
You and Me, Bess
In California
Jackrabbits
Go Long
Occident
Soft As Chalk
Esme
Autumn
Ribbon Bows
Kingfisher
Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)

Unreleased (Aug 2010) – Robin Pecknold, Joanna Newsom
Picture

THE FAMILY JAMS (Apr 2011, recorded Jun 2004?) – Devendra Banhart, Joanna Newsom, Vetiver
Dreams
Shame
Roots
Untitled Harp Music (previously circulated as Prepared Harp. Improv.)

Unreleased (2011)
This Is Just To Say

Unreleased (Nov 2011) – Roy Harper, Joanna Newsom
Another Day

THE MUPPETS ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK (Nov 2011) – The Muppets Entire Cast
The Muppet Show Theme
Life’s A Happy Song Finale [questionable appearance]

Unreleased PORTLANDIA (Feb 2012)
Tom Bombadil

HARPFELT CONNECTIONS (Mar 2012, recorded 1999?)
Instrumental 1999

Unreleased (June 2012) – Philip Glass, Joanna Newsom, Tim Fain
France
The Orchard
The French Lieutenant Dreams [Joanna Newsom, Tim Fain]

Webcast (Jul 2012) - Mike O'Brien, Joanna Newsom
7 Minutes In Heaven

We The Common (Feb 2013) - Thao & the Get Down Stay Down
Kindness Be Conceived

Unreleased (Mar 2013)
The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

WHY DO BIRDS SUDDENLY APPEAR (Mar 2013, though dated 2012) – Hard Skin feat. Joanna Newsom
The Man Who Ran The Town

THE WACK ALBUM (Jun 2013) – The Lonely Island
We Are A Crowd

INHERENT VICE ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SOUNDTRACK (Jan 2015) – Various Artists - Inherent Vice Cast
Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]
Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN]

DIVERS (Oct 2015)
Anecdotes
Sapokanikan
Leaving the City
Goose Eggs
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
The Things I Say
Divers
Same Old Man
You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
A Pin-Light Bent
Time, As a Symptom

Unreleased (?2015)
Happy Birthday To You

Unreleased (Feb 2016)
Beautiful Child

Unreleased (Mar 2016)
He Needs Me

Unreleased (Sep 2016)
Albatross

EXCLUDED SONGS
These appear to be merely doctored samples, with no (new) Joanna Newsom involvement other than some snippets of interviews in the former. If you wish to vote for one of these (or one of the individual segments) please treat them as being variants of the original songs that they sample.

Milk Eyed Gangster [Jay-Z, JN]
Right On [The Roots, JN, STS]
Shallow [16-Bit]

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 30 Aug 2016, 22:53
by Steve
FORMAT

There are 134 songs in the above list. I have decided to structure JNST6 along these lines (although I reserve the right to 'tweak' this format, should new information / songs materialise, if interest is negligible, or if there are numerous ties):

Round One
The 68 best-performing songs from previous JNSTs are exempt from this round.
The remaining 66 songs (2 new, 64 lower-performing from previous JNSTs) are divided into 22 groups of three.
Voting takes place to produce 22 group winners, which progress to Round Two.
Three "best runner-up" also progresses, making 25 songs altogether.

Round Two
Comprises 93 songs, being the 68 previously exempt songs, plus the 25 qualifiers from Round One.
They are divided into 31 groups of three.
Voting takes place to produce 31 group winners, which progress to Round Three.
They are joined by two 'best runners-up'.

Round Three
The 33 (31+2) songs progressing from Round Two are divided into 11 groups of three.
Voting takes place to produce a first, second, and third place within each group.

Final Round
The 11 group winners, plus the 'best runner-up' from Round Three contest the Final Round First Division. If interest is sufficient, this will be on a 'round robin' (league) basis, and will also feature a Second Division (remaining 10 runners-up, plus best two third placed songs from Round Three) and Third Division (remaining 9 third placed songs, and three further 'best runners-up' from Round Three). If interest is lukewarm, I will downscale this round, however. The 94 songs that did not appear in the Final Round will be ranked according to their performance in Rounds One, Two & Three.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 31 Aug 2016, 00:26
by Steve


ROUND ONE


Here are the 22 groups for your consideration over the next couple of weeks. Please order the songs in each group, listing your favourite first, and least favourite last. Any song not mentioned I will assume to occupy the lowest available place, and if more than one is not mentioned, I will assume them to be tied for this place. Within each group, two points will be awarded for your favourite song in each group, and one for your second placed song. Any tied songs will share the points available for the positions they occupy. At the end, you have the chance to award one bonus point to each of up to five songs from the entire list of 66 entered for this round - please just list them after Group 22. Please cast your votes by 23:59 on 15th September 2016, UK time.

Group 1 - Shame [DB,JN,V…] || One Horse [P] || 7 Minutes In Heaven [MO,JN]
Group 2 - He Needs Me || Nonrum Nonproblem [NC] || Orange Peter [P]
Group 3 - Sympathy [GS] || Ras Trent [LI] || Swift Nude [P]
Group 4 - France [PG,JN,TF] || I'm Already Gone / Already Gone [P] || The Honey, The Power, The Light (Kyle's Blues) [GS]
Group 5 - About Me [P] || River Guard [BC] || Ill Pearls [NC]
Group 6 - Mountain & Bear [KB] || The Conversation [P] || Same Old Man
Group 7 - Exit / Orderly Manor [P] || Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC] || Happy Birthday To You
Group 8 - Let Go [P] || Amour Fou [V,JN,AC,DB] || The Muppet Show Theme [M]
Group 9 - Dreams [DB,JN,V] || Mountain [GS] || Never Come Home [P]
Group 10 - Don't Make Things [P] || Little Picture Of You [KB] || Lifetime [RF,LM]
Group 11 - If You Can Afford It [P] || This Is Just To Say || Through The Trees [RF,LM]
Group 12 - Bring Me Down [GS] || Intermission / I The Province [P] || Franks Vs Frank [NC]
Group 13 - The Orchard [PG,JN,TF] || Roots [DB,JN,V] || No Style [P]
Group 14 - Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB] || Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC] || The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN,TF] || Albatross
Group 15 - We Are The Doctor [P] || The Wheel [BC] || Setting the Bushes On Fire [NC]
Group 16 - We Are A Crowd [LI] || Oh Canada [P] || Picture [RP,JN]
Group 17 - Wake Up Instead [P] || Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG,CG,CD,JN] || Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
Group 18 - Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC] || Angel || Untitled [from One Piece From The Middle] [P]
Group 19 - The Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC] || You & Me [KB] || Secret [P]
Group 20 - Life’s A Happy Song Finale [M] || Beautiful Child || R.U. In [P]
Group 21 - Eleven Continents [RF,LM] || Amerilie [V] || Hear Me Marching [P]
Group 22 - Rice Precipitation [NC] || Sycamore [BC] || Another Disaster [P]
Bonus Point to - please list up to 5 of the above songs

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 14 Sep 2016, 16:41
by under a CPell
Is it too late to add the Albatross cover (Judy Collins song) she did in Atlanta on the 11th?

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 14 Sep 2016, 19:12
by Steve
Hi under a CPell!

Thank you for your comment, and for bringing this to my attention. I would be delighted to include the Albatross cover. Let's add it to Group 14, which now reads -

Group 14 - Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB] || Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC] || The French Lieutenant Dreams [JN,TF] || Albatross

To make it easier to refer back, I will amend the list of Entrants on the Draw as posted above, to include this song. While I was about it, I also re-instated "The" to the piece "The Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself" which I omitted in error.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 14 Sep 2016, 21:37
by under a CPell
Did we already know this: ? I'm having a hard time distinguishing whether it's really harp and piano I'm hearing or just piano, but I guess if the person who posted this says it's Tim Fain, Philip Glass and Joanna, then it's probably true...

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 15 Sep 2016, 00:02
by Steve
Wow - thank you for finding this one, Under a CPell!

As the comment under the YouTube said, I too had never expected to hear anything from this show.
The Orchard is one of the pieces that were reported as including Joanna (and I certainly believe I can hear her harp on this excellent recording), so the piece is included in the original list of entrants above, and in group 13 in the original draw. I just didn't expect anyone to vote for it, as it seemed that only those who were at the show might ever have heard it.

Now all we need is for someone to post recordings of France and The French Lieutenant Dreams from the same show, and we're almost there! (I note that there are now at least two different recordings of her performing Happy Birthday on YouTube.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 15 Sep 2016, 01:20
by Steve
Here are my votes for Round 1 - if anyone else intends to cast a vote, please do so within the next 22 hours or so!

I found groups 11 & 21 the hardest to decide - they both came close to being 3-way ties. I also nearly had the 1st & 2nd positions the other way round from my final choice (as below) for groups 3, 9 & 10.

Group 1
1st Shame [DB,JN,V…]
2nd One Horse [P]
3rd 7 Minutes In Heaven [MO,JN]
Group 2
1 He Needs Me
2 Orange Peter [P]
3 Nonrum Nonproblem [NC]
Group 3
1 Swift Nude [P]
2 Sympathy [GS]
3 Ras Trent [LI]
Group 4
1 The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
2 I'm Already Gone / Already Gone [P]
3 France [PG,JN,TF]
Group 5
1 River Guard [BC]
2 About Me [P]
3 Ill Pearls [NC]
Group 6
1 Same Old Man
2 The Conversation [P]
3 Mountain & Bear [KB]
Group 7
1 Exit / Orderly Manor [P]
2 Happy Birthday To You
3 Pow Strikes Pow Implosion [NC]
Group 8
1 Amour Fou [V,JN,AC,DB]
2 Let Go [P]
3 The Muppet Show Theme [M]
Group 9
1 Mountain [GS]
2 Never Come Home [P]
3 Dreams [DB,JN,V]
Group 10
1 Lifetime [RF,LM]
2 Don't Make Things [P]
3 Little Picture Of You [KB]
Group 11
1 This Is Just To Say
2 If You Can Afford It [P]
3 Through The Trees [RF,LM]
Group 12
1 Bring Me Down [GS]
2 Intermission / I The Province [P]
3 Franks Vs Frank [NC]
Group 13
1 No Style [P]
2 The Orchard [PG,JN,TF]
3 Roots [DB,JN,V]
Group 14
1 Albatross
3 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
3 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]
4 The French Lieutenant's Dreams [JN,TF]
Group 15
1 We Are The Doctor [P]
2 The Wheel [BC]
3 Setting the Bushes On Fire [NC]
Group 16
1 Picture [RP,JN]
2 Oh Canada [P]
3 We Are A Crowd [LI]
Group 17
1 Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG,CG,CD,JN]
2 Wake Up Instead [P]
3 Nuflesh, Old Thirst [NC]
Group 18
1 Angel
2 Untitled [from One Piece From The Middle] [P]
3 Get Wolf Boy And Get In Context [NC]
Group 19
1 Secret [P]
2 You & Me [KB]
3 Hawk Feeds You To Feed Itself [NC]
Group 20
1 Life’s A Happy Song Finale [M]
2 Beautiful Child
3 R.U. In [P]
Group 21
1 Hear Me Marching [P]
2 Eleven Continents [RF,LM]
3 Amerilie [V]
Group 22
1 Sycamore [BC]
2 Another Disaster [P]
3 Rice Precipitation [NC]
Bonus Points

No Style [P]
Angel
Sympathy [GS]
Eleven Continents [RF.LM]
Already Gone [P]

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 16 Sep 2016, 00:11
by Steve
Voting is now closed for Round One.

As I was, sadly, the only voter, my choices in the post above also constitute the results for this round, so I won't list them all over again!

My 22 first-choices progress to the next round, along with three of my bonus-point choices, namely Sympathy (GS], Eleven Continents [RF,LM], and I'm Already Gone / Already Gone [P]. (My other two songs receiving bonus points were already group winners, and so qualified anyway).

ROUND TWO

There are 31 groups, each with three songs. Within each group, please rank the songs in the order you favour them (list your favourite first). Your first choice will receive 6 points, and your second choice will receive 2 points (any ties will share the available points for those positions). At the end, you have the opportunity to nominate up to FOUR songs which will each receive one bonus point.

The thirty-one group winners, and two best runners-up (excluding any which are carrying forward an asterisk as best runner-up from the previous round) progress to Round 3.

Please cast your votes by one minute to midnight (UK time - British Summer Time) on Friday 30th September 2016.

If solfatara (or any other user of the Facebook page) could spread the word there, I would be most grateful. It may also be possible to do some kind of 'vote harvesting' from there, so that facebook users don't have to register here - but if someone who is a member here and there could PM me, we can discuss how this might work.

ROUND TWO DRAW

Group 1
__ En Gallop! / “En Gallop”
__ Ribbon Bows
__ Secret [P]
Group 2
__ Shame [DB,JN,V…]
__ Another Day [RH,JN]
__ Sawdust & Diamonds
Group 3
__ Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG,CG,CD,JN]
__ Kingfisher
__ Cassiopeia
Group 4
__ Sympathy [GS]*
__ No Provenance
__ Leaving the City
Group 5
__ In California
__ Life’s A Happy Song Finale [M]
__ Untitled Harp Music / Prepared Harp. Improv. [DB,JN,V]
Group 6
__ The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
__ Time, As a Symptom
__ The Book Of Right-On
Group 7
__ Sprout And The Bean
__ Mountain [GS]
__ Goose Eggs
Group 8
__ Angel
__ What We Have Known
__ Soft As Chalk
Group 9
__ Colleen
__ No Style [P]
__ Anecdotes
Group 10
__ I'm Already Gone / Already Gone [P]*
__ Autumn
__ Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)
Group 11
__ Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
__ You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
__ Erin
Group 12
__ Only Skin
__ Ring The Living Bell [JN,S,WW]
__ Eleven Continents [RF,LM]*
Group 13
__ Baby Birch
__ Instrumental 1999
__ River Guard [BC]
Group 14
__ Occident
__ He Needs Me
__ '81
Group 15
__ Against The Sky [VB]
__ Jackrabbits
__ A Pin-Light Bent
Group 16
__ Sadie
__ The Things I Say
__ Sycamore [BC]
Group 17
__ Hear Me Marching [P]
__ Bridges And Balloons
__ Esme
Group 18
__ If I Were [VB]
__ Swift Nude [P]
__ Have One On Me
Group 19
__ Same Old Man
__ The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
__ Monkey & Bear
Group 20
__ Easy
__ Rock Bottom Riser [S]
__ The Fray
Group 21
__ Sapokanikan
__ The Man Who Ran The Town [HS,JN]
__ Bring Me Down [GS]
Group 22
__ Inflammatory Writ
__ Spooks [JG,GC,DG,JN]
__ Swansea
Group 23
__ Flying A Kite
__ Picture [RP,JN]
__ Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Group 24
__ Lifetime [RF,LM]
__ On A Good Day
__ You and Me, Bess
Group 25
__ Peach, Plum, Pear
__ We Are The Doctor [P]
__ Yarn And Glue
Group 26
__ Amour Fou [V,JN,AC,DB]
__ Divers
__ Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
Group 27
__ Exit / Orderly Manor [P]
__ Go Long
__ Little Wing
Group 28
__ Emily
__ This Is Just To Say
__ Tom Bombadil
Group 29
__ Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
__ Three Little Babes
__ Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
Group 30
__ Our Anniversary [S]
__ Good Intentions Paving Company
__ This Side Of The Blue
Group 31
__ Albatross
__ Cosmia
__ Man’s Road
Bonus Points
Please select up to four songs to receive one bonus point each.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament 2016

PostPosted: 16 Sep 2016, 22:36
by Headless_Caboose
Wow! I didn't expect to see this. I'm glad to see that you are going ahead with the Song Tournament Steve. It's nice to keep it going and see how our collective tastes evolve over time. I'm sorry I missed the first round. I haven't been coming here often due to the low traffic and because I've been so busy with work. I hope someone in the fb group will let people know about this.

Here are my votes:

ROUND TWO DRAW

Group 1
1. Ribbon Bows
2. En Gallop! / “En Gallop”

Group 2
1.Sawdust & Diamonds
2. Another Day [RH,JN]

Group 3
1. Kingfisher
2. Cassiopeia

Group 4
1. No Provenance
2. Leaving the City

Group 5
1. In California
2. Untitled Harp Music / Prepared Harp. Improv. [DB,JN,V]

Group 6
1. The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
2. The Book Of Right-On = Time, As a Symptom

Group 7
1. Goose Eggs
2. Sprout And The Bean

Group 8
1. Soft As Chalk
2. What We Have Known
3. Angel

Group 9
1. Anecdotes
2. Colleen

Group 10
1. Autumn
2. Does Not Suffice (In California, Refrain)

Group 11
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
2. Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
3. Erin

Group 12
1. Only Skin
2. Ring The Living Bell [JN,S,WW]

Group 13
1. Baby Birch
2. Instrumental 1999
3. River Guard [BC]

Group 14
1. Occident = '81
3. He Needs Me

Group 15
1. Jackrabbits
2. Against The Sky [VB] = A Pin-Light Bent

Group 16
1. Sadie
2. The Things I Say = Sycamore [BC]

Group 17
1. Esme
2. Bridges And Balloons

Group 18
1. Have One On Me
2. If I Were [VB]

Group 19
1. Monkey & Bear
2. The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
3. Same Old Man

Group 20
1. Easy
2. Rock Bottom Riser [S]
3. The Fray

Group 21
1. Sapokanikan
3. The Man Who Ran The Town [HS,JN]

Group 22
1. Swansea
2. Inflammatory Writ
3. Spooks [JG,GC,DG,JN]

Group 23
1. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
2. Picture [RP,JN]
2. Flying A Kite

Group 24
1. On A Good Day
2. You and Me, Bess

Group 25
1. Peach, Plum, Pear
2. Yarn And Glue

Group 26
1. Divers
2. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

Group 27
1. Go Long
2. Little Wing

Group 28
1. Emily
3. Tom Bombadil

Group 29
1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
2. Three Little Babes

Group 30
1. Good Intentions Paving Company
2. This Side Of The Blue
3. Our Anniversary [S]

Group 31
1. Cosmia
2. Albatross
3. Man’s Road

Bonus Points: Colleen; The Things I Say; Autumn; No Provenance.