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Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 09 Nov 2015, 22:31
by claire
GROUP 1
1. Baby Birch

GROUP 2
1. Erin
2. Goose Eggs
3. ’81

GROUP 3
1. Only Skin

GROUP 4
1. Monkey & Bear

GROUP 5
1. Easy

GROUP 6
1. Same Old Man
2. Ribbon Bows
3. Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
1. Cassiopeia
2. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
3. Does Not Suffice

GROUP 8
1. Anecdotes
2. You And Me, Bess
3. Inflammatory Writ

GROUP 9
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
2. What We Have Known
3. Esme

GROUP 10
1. Sadie

GROUP 11
1. Colleen
2. The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
3. Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
1. Bridges And Balloons
2. Time, As a Symptom
3. Jackrabbits

GROUP 13
1. Emily

GROUP 14
1. On A Good Day
2. The Things I Say
3. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

GROUP 15
1. In California

GROUP 16
1. Leaving The City
2. Autumn
3. Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
1. Go Long

GROUP 18
1. Kingfisher

GROUP 19
1. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

GROUP 20
1. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

GROUP 21
1. Soft As Chalk
2. Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
1. Have One On Me

GROUP 23
1. Swansea
2. The Fray

GROUP 24
1. Good Intentions Paving Company
2. Rock Bottom Riser [S]

GROUP 25
1. Yarn And Glue
2. Peach, Plum, Pear

GROUP 26
1. A Pin-Light Bent
2. No Provenance
3. This Side Of The Blue

GROUP 27
1. Divers
2. Occident
3. The Book Of Right-On

GROUP 28
1. Sapokanikan

GROUP 29
1. Sawdust & Diamonds

GROUP 30
1. Cosmia

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 09 Nov 2015, 23:03
by Wanbli
GROUP 1
1.Baby Birch

GROUP 2
1.’81
2.Goose Eggs
3.Erin

GROUP 3
1.Only Skin

GROUP 4
1.Monkey & Bear

GROUP 5
1.Easy
2.The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

GROUP 6
1.Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
1.Cassiopeia
2.Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
3.Does Not Suffice

GROUP 8
1.Inflammatory Writ
2.You And Me, Bess
3.Anecdotes

GROUP 9
1.What We Have Known
2.You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
3.Esme

GROUP 10
1.Sadie

GROUP 11
1.Colleen
2.Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
1.Bridges And Balloons
2.Time, As a Symptom
3.Jackrabbits

GROUP 13
1.Emily

GROUP 14
1.On A Good Day
2.Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

GROUP 15
1.In California

GROUP 16
1.Sprout And The Bean
2.Leaving The City
3.Autumn

GROUP 17
1.Go Long

GROUP 18
1.Kingfisher

GROUP 19
1."En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

GROUP 20
1.Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
2.Little Wing

GROUP 21
1.Soft As Chalk
2.Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
1.Have One On Me

GROUP 23
1.Swansea

GROUP 24
1.Good Intentions Paving Company

GROUP 25
1.Peach, Plum, Pear
2.Yarn And Glue

GROUP 26
1.A Pin-Light Bent
2.This Side Of The Blue
3.No Provenance

GROUP 27
1.The Book Of Right-On
2.Divers
3.Occident

GROUP 28
1. Sapokanikan

GROUP 29
1.Sawdust & Diamonds
2. We Are The Doctor

GROUP 30
1.Cosmia

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 09 Nov 2015, 23:19
by under a CPell
GROUP 1
1. Baby Birch

GROUP 2
1. ’81
1. Erin
1. Goose Eggs

GROUP 3
1. Only Skin (4)

GROUP 4
1. Monkey & Bear

GROUP 5
1. Easy (4)
2. The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

GROUP 6
1. Same Old Man
2. Ribbon Bows
2. Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne (4)
2. Does Not Suffice
3. Cassiopeia

GROUP 8
1. Anecdotes (4)
1. You And Me, Bess
2. Inflammatory Writ

GROUP 9
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
1. Esme
2. What We Have Known

GROUP 10
1. Sadie (4)

GROUP 11
1. Colleen (4)
2. Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
1. Time, As a Symptom (4)
2. Jackrabbits
2. Bridges And Balloons

GROUP 13
1. Emily (4)

GROUP 14
1. On A Good Day
1. The Things I Say
1. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

GROUP 15
1. In California (4)
2. Prepared Harp Improv.

GROUP 16
1. Leaving The City (4)
2. Autumn
2. Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
1. Go Long (4)

GROUP 18
1. Kingfisher (4)

GROUP 19
1. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
2. Another Day [RH/JN]

GROUP 20
1. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
2. Little Wing

GROUP 21
1. Soft As Chalk (4)
2. Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
1. Have One On Me (4)
2. Kindness Be Conceived [TG]

GROUP 23
1. Swansea
2. The Fray

GROUP 24
1. Good Intentions Paving Company (4)
2. Angel

GROUP 25
1. Peach, Plum, Pear (4)
2. Yarn And Glue

GROUP 26
1. No Provenance (4)
1. A Pin-Light Bent (4)
2. This Side Of The Blue

GROUP 27
1. Divers (4)
1. Occident (4)
2. The Book Of Right-On

GROUP 28
1. Sapokanikan (4)

GROUP 29
1. Sawdust & Diamonds (4)

GROUP 30
1. Cosmia (4)

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 10 Nov 2015, 11:00
by Steve
Thank you for your votes, Jordan~, claire, Wanbli, and Under a CPell.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 10 Nov 2015, 18:18
by Alex Ysoltsev
GROUP 1
1. Baby Birch
2. Tom Bombadil

GROUP 2
1. Goose Eggs
2. ’81
3. Erin

GROUP 3
Only Skin

GROUP 4
1. Monkey & Bear

GROUP 5
1. Easy

GROUP 6
1. Ribbon Bows
2. Same Old Man
3. Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
2. Does Not Suffice
3. Cassiopeia

GROUP 8
1. Anecdotes
2. Inflammatory Writ
3. You And Me, Bess

GROUP 9
1. Esme
2. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
3. What We Have Known

GROUP 10
1. Sadie
2. The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]

GROUP 11
1. Colleen
2. Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
1. Time, As a Symptom
2. Jackrabbits
3. Bridges And Balloons

GROUP 13
1. Emily
2. You & Me [KB]

GROUP 14
1. On A Good Day
2. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
3. The Things I Say

GROUP 15
1. In California
2. Prepared Harp Improv.

GROUP 16
1. Autumn
2. Leaving The City
3. Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
1. Go Long
2. Our Anniversary [S]

GROUP 18
1. Kingfisher

GROUP 19
1. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

GROUP 20
1. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

GROUP 21
1. Soft As Chalk
2. Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
1. Have One On Me
2. Kindness Be Conceived [TG]

GROUP 23
1. Swansea
2. The Fray

GROUP 24
1. Good Intentions Paving Company

GROUP 25
1. Peach, Plum, Pear
2. Yarn And Glue

GROUP 26
1. A Pin-Light Bent
2. This Side Of The Blue
3. No Provenance

GROUP 27
1. Occident
2. The Book Of Right-On
3. Divers

GROUP 28
1. Sapokanikan

GROUP 29
1. Sawdust & Diamonds
2. Sycamore [BC]

GROUP 30
1. Cosmia


PS In the Facebook group, a blitz tournament not unlike this one (but definitely not so thorough) was hosted last week. Guess what song was the winner! (yeah, you're right)

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 13 Nov 2015, 01:10
by Headless_Caboose
GROUP 1
Baby Birch 4
Picture [RP/JN]

GROUP 2
’81 = Goose Eggs
Erin

GROUP 3
Only Skin

GROUP 4
Monkey & Bear 4
Man’s Road

GROUP 5
Easy
The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

GROUP 6
Ribbon Bows
Same Old Man
Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
Does Not Suffice
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Cassiopeia

GROUP 8
Anecdotes
You And Me, Bess
Inflammatory Writ

GROUP 9
You Will Not Take My Heart Alive = Esme
What We Have Known


GROUP 10
Sadie 4

GROUP 11
Colleen 4
Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
Jackrabbits
Bridges And Balloons
Time, As a Symptom

GROUP 13
Emily 4
Against The Sky [VB]

GROUP 14
On A Good Day
The Things I Say
Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

GROUP 15
In California
Prepared Harp Improv.

GROUP 16
Autumn
Leaving The City
Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
Go Long
Our Anniversary [S]

GROUP 18
Kingfisher 4
Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]

GROUP 19
Another Day [RH/JN] = "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) 4

GROUP 20
Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie 4
Little Wing

GROUP 21
Soft As Chalk
Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
Have One On Me 4
Kindness Be Conceived [TG]

GROUP 23
Swansea 4
The Fray

GROUP 24
Good Intentions Paving Company
Rock Bottom Riser [S]
Angel

GROUP 25
Peach, Plum, Pear
Yarn And Glue

GROUP 26
No Provenance
A Pin-Light Bent = This Side Of The Blue

GROUP 27
Divers
Occident

GROUP 28
Sapokanikan 4
If I Were [VB]

GROUP 29
Sawdust & Diamonds 4
Sycamore [BC]

GROUP 30
Cosmia

I'm not sure if I used my '4's correctly. If there are only two songs included in a group is adding a '4' redundant?

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 13 Nov 2015, 01:16
by Headless_Caboose
The Divers songs sure throw a twist into the competition! I found their freshness and novelty factor hard to balance against my longer lived/loved relation to the older tracks. I'll be curious to see where my preferences lie a year from now.

I felt compelled to tie A Pin-Light Bent with This Side of the Blue because I recently came across a live version of the latter track performed during her Ys tour that I really love. Hearing her Ys voice and band on that track opens it up in a new way.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 13 Nov 2015, 01:26
by Jordan~
I tried to balance novelty against quality and I think the songs I like on Divers are genuinely the best songs she (or any other human being producing art in any medium) has ever written.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 13 Nov 2015, 06:12
by butterbean
Hey Steve, thanks for compiling this massive list! Though I didn't track down all of them, it gave me a chance to hear a few of her collaborations that I'd never known of/heard. Also, I'm almost all ties as far as her own work goes, it's too hard at this point to choose, I think I abided by the system, but let me know if there's anything amiss.

GROUP 1

1.Baby Birch (4)
2.Tom Bombadil (I love that she did this for multiple reasons, one being that I'm a closet Bombadil fan)
3.Picture [RP/JN]

GROUP 2
1.’81 (4)
1. Goose Eggs
2. Erin


GROUP 3

1.Only Skin (4)
2.Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]

GROUP 4

1. Monkey & Bear (4)
1. Man’s Road (4)

GROUP 5

1. Easy (4)
2. The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
3. Sympathy [GS]

GROUP 6
1. Same Old Man
1. Ribbon Bows
2. Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
1. Does Not Suffice
1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
2. Cassiopeia

GROUP 8
1. Anecdotes (4)
1. You And Me, Bess (4)
2. Inflammatory Writ

GROUP 9
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
1. What We Have Known
1. Esme

GROUP 10
1. Sadie (4)
2. The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]

GROUP 11
1. Colleen (4)
2. The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
2. Three Little Babes


GROUP 12
1. Time, As a Symptom (4)
1. Bridges And Balloons (4)
2. Jackrabbits


GROUP 13
1. Emily (4)
2. Against The Sky [VB]


GROUP 14

1. On A Good Day
1. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
2. The Things I Say

GROUP 15
1. In California (4)

GROUP 16
1. Leaving The City
1. Autumn
1. Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
1. Go Long (4)
2. Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]

GROUP 18

1. Kingfisher (4)

GROUP 19

1. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) (4)
2. Another Day [RH/JN]


GROUP 20

1. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie (4)
2. Little Wing
2. Bring Me Down [GS]

GROUP 21

1. Soft As Chalk (4)
2. Instrumental 1999 (oh cool, you can hear peach, plum, pear in there!)
3. Through The Trees [RF/LM]

GROUP 22
1. Have One On Me (4)
2. Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
3. No Style [P]

GROUP 23
1. Swansea (4)
1. The Fray
2. Amour Fou [V]

GROUP 24
1. Good Intentions Paving Company (4)



GROUP 25
1. Peach, Plum, Pear (4)
1. Yarn And Glue (4)


GROUP 26
1. A Pin-Light Bent (4)
1. No Provenance (4)
2. This Side Of The Blue

GROUP 27
1. Occident
1. The Book Of Right-On
1. Divers

GROUP 28
1. Sapokanikan (4)
2. If I Were [VB]


GROUP 29
1. Sawdust & Diamonds (4)
2. We Are The Doctor [P]


GROUP 30

1. Cosmia (4)
2. Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
3. Amerilie [V]*

Group Ras Trent:
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Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 14 Nov 2015, 16:18
by solfatara
GROUP 1
Baby Birch

GROUP 2
’81
Goose Eggs
Erin

GROUP 3
Only Skin

GROUP 4
Monkey & Bear
Man’s Road

GROUP 5
Easy
The North Star Grassman And The Ravens

GROUP 6
Ribbon Bows (4)
Same Old Man
Flying A Kite

GROUP 7
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
Does Not Suffice
Cassiopeia

GROUP 8
Anecdotes
You And Me, Bess
Inflammatory Writ

GROUP 9
You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Esme
What We Have Known

GROUP 10
Sadie

GROUP 11
Colleen
Three Little Babes

GROUP 12
Time, As a Symptom
Jackrabbits
Bridges And Balloons

GROUP 13
Emily
Against the Sky

GROUP 14
On A Good Day
The Things I Say
Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

GROUP 15
In California
Prepared Harp Improv.

GROUP 16
Autumn
Leaving The City
Sprout And The Bean

GROUP 17
Go Long

GROUP 18
Kingfisher

GROUP 19
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

GROUP 20
Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Little Wing

GROUP 21
Soft As Chalk
Instrumental 1999

GROUP 22
Have One On Me
No Style [P]

GROUP 23
Swansea
The Fray

GROUP 24
Good Intentions Paving Company
Angel

GROUP 25
Peach, Plum, Pear
Yarn And Glue

GROUP 26
No Provenance (4)
A Pin-Light Bent
This Side Of The Blue

GROUP 27
Divers
Occident
The Book Of Right-On

GROUP 28
Sapokanikan

GROUP 29
Sawdust & Diamonds
We Are The Doctor [P]


GROUP 30
Cosmia

if you add a 4, can you effectively allocate 7 points in total to a group? or does it reduce the points given to the other songs?

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 15 Nov 2015, 11:03
by Steve
Thank you, Alex Ysoltsev, Headless_Caboose, Butterbean, and solfatara for your votes and comments.

I agree very much with yours, Headless_Caboose, about integrating the new material into the same spectrum as the old, but I'm not helped by having been unable to transfer my cd to any other listening device either, this limiting my opportunities to hear them. Interesting to read Jordan~'s point of view too, probably with the benefit of more listens, and I'd add that seeing her on Monday enhanced my opinions of several of the new songs (ESP Goose Eggs). By the way: yes your use of 4s was correct ... but the fault was mine in devising a flawed system.

Solfatara - yes you're right. If you put a 4, the allocation becomes 4-2-1 assuming no ties, so 7 pts maximum. I have to say I'm not totally happy with the system I put in place for this round, so may tweak it for the next, which will also be groups of 3.

Alex - I'm interested in the FB poll. Any chance you could post or pm me with the results please :)

As you can see, I'm behind schedule, but will cast my votes later tonight and then post the next round in time for Monday morning. It will definitely finish within the calendar year 2015!

Butterbean - glad you've taken the opportunity to look back on the more obscure stuff. I hope you don't mind me pm ing you on that topic.

Thanks once again

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 15 Nov 2015, 15:56
by Alex Ysoltsev

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 16 Nov 2015, 00:57
by Steve
2015 - JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT V
ROUND 2 - MY VOTES

GROUP 1
1st - Baby Birch (4)
2nd - Picture [RP/JN]
3rd - Tom Bombadil
GROUP 2
1st - Erin
2nd - ’81
3rd - Goose Eggs
GROUP 3
1st - Only Skin (4)
2nd - Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN]
3rd - Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]
GROUP 4
1st - Monkey & Bear
2nd - One Horse [P]
3rd - Man’s Road
GROUP 5
1st - Easy
2nd - Sympathy [GS]
3rd - The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
GROUP 6
1st - Flying A Kite (4)
2nd - Ribbon Bows
3rd - Same Old Man
GROUP 7
1st - Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
=2nd - Does Not Suffice
=2nd - Cassiopeia
GROUP 8
1st - Inflammatory Writ (4)
2nd - Anecdotes
3rd - You And Me, Bess
GROUP 9
1st - What We Have Known (4)
2nd - Esme
3rd - You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
GROUP 10
1st - Sadie (4)
2nd - The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
3rd - Never Come Home [P]
GROUP 11
1st - Three Little Babes (4)
2nd - The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
GROUP 12
1st - Bridges And Balloons (4)
=2nd - Time, As a Symptom
=2nd - Jackrabbits
GROUP 13
1st - Emily (4)
2nd - Against The Sky [VB]
3rd - You & Me [KB]
GROUP 14
1st - Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
2nd - On A Good Day
3rd - The Things I Say
GROUP 15
1st - In California (4)
2nd - Prepared Harp Improv.
3rd - Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
GROUP 16
1st - Sprout And The Bean (4)
2nd - Autumn
3rd - Leaving The City
GROUP 17
1st - Go Long (4)
=2nd - Our Anniversary [S]
=2nd - Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]
GROUP 18
1st - Kingfisher (4)
=2nd - Shame [DB/V/JN+friends]
=2nd - Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
GROUP 19
1st - "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!) (4)
2nd - Lifetime [RF/LM]
3rd - Another Day [RH/JN]
GROUP 20
1st - Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie (4)
2nd - Bring Me Down [GS]
GROUP 21
1st - Soft As Chalk (4)
2nd - Instrumental 1999
3rd - Through The Trees [RF/LM]
GROUP 22
1st - Have One On Me
2nd - No Style [P]
GROUP 23
1st - The Fray
2nd - Swansea
3rd - Amour Fou [V]
GROUP 24
1st - Good Intentions Paving Company
2nd - Angel
3rd - Rock Bottom Riser [S]
GROUP 25
1st - Yarn And Glue
2nd - Peach, Plum, Pear
3rd - River Guard [BC]
GROUP 26
1st - A Pin-Light Bent
2nd - This Side Of The Blue
3rd - No Provenance
GROUP 27
1st - Divers (4)
2nd - The Book Of Right-On
3rd - Occident
GROUP 28
1st - Sapokanikan (4)
2nd - Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P]
3rd - If I Were [VB]
GROUP 29
1st - Sawdust & Diamonds (4)
2nd - Sycamore [BC]
3rd - We Are The Doctor [P]
GROUP 30
1st - Cosmia (4)
2nd - Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
3rd - Amerilie [V]*

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 16 Nov 2015, 01:37
by Steve
V JOANNA NEWSOM SONG TOURNAMENT - 2015

ROUND TWO RESULTS


The points awarded to each song were as follows:

GROUP 1

33 Baby Birch
7 Tom Bombadil
5 Picture [RP/JN]
GROUP 2
23½ ’81
22½ Goose Eggs
14 Erin
GROUP 3
33 Only Skin
3 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]
2 Under The Paving Stones, The Beach! [JG, CG, CD, JN]
GROUP 4
31 Monkey & Bear
8 Man’s Road
2 One Horse [P]
GROUP 5
32 Easy
11 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
3 Sympathy [GS]
GROUP 6
23 Ribbon Bows
20½ Same Old Man
14½ Flying A Kite
GROUP 7
26½ Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
21 Does Not Suffice
14½ Cassiopeia
GROUP 8
27 Anecdotes
18 Inflammatory Writ
17 You And Me, Bess
GROUP 9
24 You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
20 Esme
17 What We Have Known
GROUP 10
34 Sadie
10 The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
1 Never Come Home [P]
GROUP 11
30 Colleen
18½ Three Little Babes
5½ The Honey, The Power, The Light [GS]
GROUP 12
24½ Time, As a Symptom
20½ Bridges And Balloons
18 Jackrabbits
GROUP 13
34 Emily
8 Against The Sky [VB]
3 You & Me [KB]
GROUP 14
25½ On A Good Day
18½ Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
15 The Things I Say
GROUP 15
33 In California
12 Prepared Harp Improv.
1 Colorchains Of Inner Space [NC]
GROUP 16
22 Leaving The City
22 Autumn
18 Sprout And The Bean
GROUP 17
33 Go Long
5½ Our Anniversary [S]
3½ Spooks [JG, GC, DG, JN]
GROUP 18
34 Kingfisher
3½ Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
1½ Shame [DB/V/JN+friends]
GROUP 19
32 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
8 Another Day [RH/JN]
2 Lifetime [RF/LM]
GROUP 20
33 Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
9½ Little Wing
3½ Bring Me Down [GS]
GROUP 21
33 Soft As Chalk
18 Instrumental 1999
2 Through The Trees [RF/LM]
GROUP 22
33 Have One On Me
8 Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
5 No Style [P]
GROUP 23
30 Swansea
18 The Fray
2 Amour Fou [V]
GROUP 24
33 Good Intentions Paving Company
7 Angel
5 Rock Bottom Riser [S]
GROUP 25
29 Peach, Plum, Pear
23 Yarn And Glue
1 River Guard [BC]
GROUP 26
27½ A Pin-Light Bent
21 No Provenance
14½ This Side Of The Blue
GROUP 27
25 Divers
20 Occident
16 The Book Of Right-On
GROUP 28
34 Sapokanikan
7 If I Were [VB]
2 Exit (aka Orderly Manor) [P]
GROUP 29
34 Sawdust & Diamonds
7 We Are The Doctor [P]
6 Sycamore [BC]
GROUP 30
33 Cosmia
4 Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
2 Amerilie [V]*

The leading song in each group qualifies for the next round. In Group 16, there was a tie, so both songs qualify as though they were group winners.

I had intended to award wildcards to the three 'best performing runners-up', but this is now reducted to two because of the tie mentioned above.

However, there were two criteria I had in mind to determine "best performing runner-up", and I expected them to give the same result. However , this was not the case.

Criterion 1
Number of points awarded, divided by the number awarded to the group winner (a measure of how close the group was). The 29 runners-up can be ordered as follows, with the proportion expressed as a percentage:
100% Leaving The City / Autumn
95.7% Goose Eggs
89.1% Same Old Man
83.7% Bridges And Balloons
83.3% Esme
80.0% Occident
79.3% Yarn And Glue
79.2% Does Not Suffice
76.4% No Provenance
72.5% Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
66.7% Inflammatory Writ
61.7% Three Little Babes
60.0% The Fray
54.5% Instrumental 1999
36.4% Prepared Harp Improv.
34.4% The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
29.4% The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
28.8% Little Wing
25.8% Man’s Road
25.0% Another Day [RH/JN]
24.2% Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
23.5% Against The Sky [VB]
21.2% Tom Bombadil
21.2% Angel
20.6% If I Were [VB]
20.6% We Are The Doctor [P]
16.7% Our Anniversary [S]
12.1% Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
10.3% Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
9.1% Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]

Criterion 2
Number of points awarded, divided by the total number of points awarded in that group. The 29 runners-up can be ordered as follows, with the proportion expressed as a percentage:
43.4% Yarn And Glue
37.5% Goose Eggs
36.0% The Fray
35.5% Leaving The City / Autumn
35.3% Same Old Man
34.3% Three Little Babes
34.0% Instrumental 1999
33.9% Does Not Suffice
33.3% No Provenance
32.8% Esme
32.8% Occident
32.5% Bridges And Balloons
31.4% Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
29.0% Inflammatory Writ
26.1% Prepared Harp Improv.
23.9% The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
22.2% The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
20.7% Little Wing
19.5% Man’s Road
19.0% Another Day [RH/JN]
17.8% Against The Sky [VB]
17.4% Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
16.3% If I Were [VB]
15.6% Tom Bombadil
15.6% Angel
14.9% We Are The Doctor [P]
13.1% Our Anniversary [S]
10.3% Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
9.0% Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
7.9% Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]

Criterion 3
Absolute number of points awarded:
23 Yarn And Glue
22.5 Goose Eggs
22 Leaving The City / Autumn
21 Does Not Suffice
21 No Provenance
20.5 Same Old Man
20.5 Bridges And Balloons
20 Esme
20 Occident
18.5 Three Little Babes
18.5 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
18 Inflammatory Writ
18 Instrumental 1999
18 The Fray
12 Prepared Harp Improv.
11 The North Star Grassman And The Ravens
10 The Man Who Ran The Town [HS/JN]
9.5 Little Wing
8 Man’s Road
8 Against The Sky [VB]
8 Another Day [RH/JN]
8 Kindness Be Conceived [TG]
7 Tom Bombadil
7 Angel
7 If I Were [VB]
7 We Are The Doctor [P]
5.5 Our Anniversary [S]
4 Do You Know Who You Are? [GS]
3.5 Ring The Living Bell [JN/S/WW]
3 Good Heart, Money And Rain [MB]

Fortunately, two different songs come out on top when the runner-up songs are ordered by these criteria, so Yarn And Glue and Goose Eggs progress as asterisked 'wildcards'.

With apologies once again for the delay, I will post the Round Three draw in the morning.

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 16 Nov 2015, 14:52
by Steve


This looks like being one of the hardest sets of decisions in any JNST to date, as we come down to the final 33 songs in her growing catalogue.

The last of the collaborations went out in Round 2, but there's a pleasingly good spread of songs across all periods, with the make up reading:

5 from The Milk-Eyed Mender
5 from Ys
12 from Divers
9 from Divers
2 miscellaneous

Here is the draw, colour coded to reflect these sources as in the previous round:

GROUP 1
Swansea
On A Good Day
In California
GROUP 2
Easy
Monkey & Bear
Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne
GROUP 3
Time, As a Symptom
Baby Birch
Good Intentions Paving Co.
GROUP 4
Yarn And Glue *
A Pin-Light Bent
Cosmia
GROUP 5
Sadie
Have One On Me
Goose Eggs *
GROUP 6
Anecdotes
Ribbon Bows
Only Skin
GROUP 7
Kingfisher
You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
Colleen
GROUP 8
Soft As Chalk
Divers
Sawdust & Diamonds
GROUP 9
’81
Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie
Sapokanikan
GROUP 10
Emily
Peach, Plum, Pear
Autumn
GROUP 11
Go Long
Leaving The City
"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

HOW TO VOTE
In practice, the voting method is the same as for the last round, and if you're happy with that statement, you can skip the rest of this post and get on with enjoying the music and casting your votes. However, I want to state up front exactly how I will treat each set of votes, for my reference later, and to enable readers to understand exactly how I'm calculating it, if they wish.


I should add that the 11 group winners, together with the best-performing runner-up, will progress to the final stage, except that, having already received one wild-card in this tournament, the two songs marked * will not be eligible for another. I reserve the right to amend this, should one or more groups result in ties.

I hope you have fun considering your choices, casting your votes, and watching the results come in...

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2015, 12:37
by Jordan~
GROUP 1

1. In California

GROUP 2

1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne (4)
1. Monkey & Bear (4)
3. Easy

GROUP 3

1. Time, As a Symptom (4)
2. Good Intentions Paving Co.
3. Baby Birch

GROUP 4

1. A Pin-Light Bent
1. Cosmia
3. Yarn And Glue

GROUP 5

1. Have One On Me (4)
1. Goose Eggs (4)

GROUP 6

1. Only Skin (4)
1. Anecdotes (4)
2. Ribbon Bows


GROUP 7

1. Kingfisher (4)
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive (4)
3. Colleen

GROUP 8

1. Soft As Chalk
2. Divers
3. Sawdust & Diamonds

GROUP 9

1. Sapokanikan
2. ’81

GROUP 10

1. Emily (4)
2. Peach, Plum, Pear

GROUP 11

1. Go Long (4)
1. Leaving The City (4)

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I hope I'm allowed to tie that many with 4s!

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2015, 12:41
by Steve
Hi Jordan~
Thank you for your votes ... yes the tied '4's are all OK!

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2015, 13:19
by madpawn
GROUP 1
1. In California
1. Swansea
3. On A Good Day

GROUP 2
1. Monkey & Bear
2. Easy
3. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne

GROUP 3
1. Baby Birch
2. Time, As a Symptom
3. Good Intentions Paving Co.

GROUP 4
1. Cosmia
2. A Pin-Light Bent
3. Yarn And Glue *

GROUP 5
1. Have One On Me [4]
2. Sadie

GROUP 6
1. Only Skin
2. Anecdotes

GROUP 7
1. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive
2. Colleen
3. Kingfisher

GROUP 8
1. Sawdust & Diamonds
2. Soft As Chalk
3. Divers

GROUP 9
1. ’81
2. Sapokanikan

GROUP 10
1. Emily
2. Autumn
3. Peach, Plum, Pear

GROUP 11
1. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
2. Go Long
3. Leaving The City

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2015, 22:39
by under a CPell
GROUP 1
1. In California
2. Swansea
2. On A Good Day

GROUP 2
1. Waltz Of The 101st Lightborne (4)
2. Easy
3. Monkey & Bear

GROUP 3
1. Time, As a Symptom (4)
2. Good Intentions Paving Co.
3. Baby Birch

GROUP 4
1. Cosmia (4)
2. A Pin-Light Bent
3. Yarn And Glue *

GROUP 5
1. Sadie (4)
1. Have One On Me (4)
2. Goose Eggs *

GROUP 6
1. Only Skin (4)
1. Anecdotes (4)
2. Ribbon Bows

GROUP 7
1. Kingfisher (4)
1. Colleen (4)
2. You Will Not Take My Heart Alive

GROUP 8
1. Divers (4)
2. Sawdust & Diamonds
3. Soft As Chalk

GROUP 9
1. Sapokanikan (4)
2. ’81
3. Clam, Crab, Cockle, Cowrie

GROUP 10
1. Peach, Plum, Pear (4)
2. Emily
3. Autumn

GROUP 11
1. Go Long (4)
1. Leaving The City (4)
2. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)

Re: Joanna Newsom Song Tournament V (2015)

PostPosted: 18 Nov 2015, 00:29
by milkisobel
ok i miss the first part of the tournament (ok as always for the past 4 or 5 years...)
I feel as a renegate as Divers is definitely not my fav, glad there is some old HOOM warriors there, i'm probably the last HOOM overfan here, hope my vote won't ruin the Divers lover's votes huhu
i know hearts mean nothing for the counting, just express my infinite love

G1
1. In california
2. on a good day

G2
1.easy

G3
1. baby birch (4)
2. time, as a symptom

G4
1. a pin light bent (4)
2. cosmia

G5
1. have one on me (4)

G6
1. anecdotes
2. only skin

G7
1. you will not take my heart alive
2. kingfisher
3. colleen

G8
1. sawdust &diamonds (4) <3
2. divers
3. soft as chalk

G9
1. sapokanikan (4)
2. '81

ok here i struggle cos i make a real difference between PPP live and album so two different vote

if PPP is album :

G10
1. emily
2. autumn

if PPP is live :

G10
1. PPP
2. emily
3. autumn

G11
1. go long (4) <3 <3
2. leaving the city