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Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Go Long
Tie 4 - Soft As Chalk
Tie 5 - Easy
Tie 6 - Have One On Me
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Baby Birch
Sad to see Sadie go again!

Consolation Round: Well, this is difficult!

01 Peach, Plum, Pear
02 Good Intentions Paving Company
03 No Provenance
04 '81
05 Autumn
06 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)*
07 Occident
08 You And Me, Bess*
09 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
10 Does Not Suffice
11 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes*
12 On A Good Day
13 Ribbon Bows
14 Jackrabbits*
15 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
16 Esme*
17 Flying A Kite
18 Bridges And Balloons

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Swansea
Tie 3 - Go Long
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Look And Despair
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Baby Birch

FIRST CONSOLATION ROUND

1. Bridges And Balloons
2. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
3. Autumn
4. No Provenance
5. You And Me, Bess*
6. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
7. Good Intentions Paving Company
8. Occident
9. Does Not Suffice
10. Jackrabbits*
11. Ribbon Bows
12. ’81
13. Flying A Kite
14. On A Good Day
15. The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)*
16. Peach, Plum, Pear
17. Esme*
18. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes*


Ranking songs is a lot harder than just choosing between two! I had to just go with my gut instinct or I would have been deliberating for hours!

Tie 1 - Colleen
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Kingfisher
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Have One On Me
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Monkey & Bear


Consolation Round:

1 Good Intentions Paving Company
2. Peach, Plum, Pear
3. Bridges And Balloons
4. Does Not Suffice
5. No Provenance
6. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
7. On A Good Day
8. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
9. '81
10. Jackrabbits
11. The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
12. Flying A Kite
13. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
14. Esme
15. Autumn
16. You and Me, Bess
17. Occident

I kept an eye out on Tie 15 on the previous round because I really love Ribbon Bows and wanted it to win (hehe), and I counted 4 for Monkey & Bear, 3 for Ribbon Bows and 2 for You and Me Bess, and I keep counting 9 total votes for that round, so perhaps you could double check that, Steve? In which case Ribbon Bows should be put in the consolation round, I guess

Oh, yes, could it be possible you missed Byron's votes in the previous round, Steve?

Well, now I feel very foolish indeed. Byron I'm very sorry to have somehow overlooked your. Orr, and thank you under a CPell for pointing it out. It was a perfectly valid vote and I will re-work the results with it included.

The main effects are that Monkey & Bear is the clear winner of tie 15, so Ribbon Bows is relegated to the Consolation Round and is deleted from the new tie 4. I will recalculate the bonus points to take account of byron's vote in the morning

Apologies all

So here's an update from my hasty note of last night. Thank you, too, to solfatara for bringing my error to light as soon as possible, and apologies for the mess.

If under a CPell and claire would be kind enough to re-send their Consolation Round votes with Ribbon Bows included, that would be really helpful. There's no need for you to revisit the main Round Three ties, though, since neither of you voted for Ribbon Bows which I'm now removing from tie 4.

In summary: I've removed the ½ point and asterisk from the two previously tied songs in tie 15, putting Monkey & Bear as the sole qualifier from that tie, and moving Ribbon Bows into the Consolation Round. Byron's vote has now been added in all ties, and I have recalculated the "bonus points" for the Consolation Round songs. Revised results and Round Three ties are as follows:



Qualified songs are underlined

Tie 1
8 Colleen
1 Flying A Kite
Tie 2
6 In California
3 No Provenance
Tie 3
8 Cosmia
1 Occident
Tie 4
6 Swansea
3 Does Not Suffice
Tie 5
6 Go Long
3 On A Good Day
Tie 6
6 Kingfisher
3 Peach, Plum, Pear
Tie 7
6 Soft As Chalk
3 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Tie 8
7 Sawdust & Diamonds
2 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes*
Tie 9
6 Easy
3 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
Tie 10
6 Emily
3 Autumn
Tie 11
8 Have One On Me
1 Esme*
Tie 12
7 Look And Despair
2 Bridges And Balloons
Tie 13
8 Only Skin
1 Jackrabbits*
0 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)*
Tie 14
5 Sadie
4 Good Intentions Paving Company
Tie 15
4 Monkey & Bear
3 Ribbon Bows*
2 You And Me, Bess*
Tie 16
7 Baby Birch
2 ’81



Please pick one song from each tie. The voting is intended to end at 23:59 London time on Monday 22nd September 2014.

Tie 1 - Colleen - v - In California
Tie 2 - Cosmia - v - Swansea
Tie 3 - Go Long - v - Kingfisher
Tie 4 - Soft As Chalk - v - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Easy - v - Emily
Tie 6 - Have One On Me - v - Look And Despair
Tie 7 - Only Skin - v - Sadie
Tie 8 - Monkey & Bear * - v - Baby Birch



Here is a list of the songs eliminated in the round just completed, and I invite you to list them in your order of preference (favourite at the top), so as to form the basis of deciding the lower placings. This will be continued through to the end of the tournament. I will allocate 20 points to your first choice, 19 to the next, and so on. However, you also have the option of introducing two "blank lines", to indicate where you think there is a clear division, and if you use these, I will skip a score (so, if your choices begin with Song A first, then Song B, then "----", then Song C, I will allocate 20 to A, 19 to B, and 17 to C, and so on. Finally, the figure shown in the left column will be carried forward as a "bonus" score, according to a formula described in the footnote. A small group of leaders (probably 3) will go forward to join the songs eliminated at the main Round 3 in the next Consolation Round.

13·75 Good Intentions Paving Company
11.00 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
10·50 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
10·25 Does Not Suffice
09·50 Peach, Plum, Pear
08·75 On A Good Day
08·25 No Provenance
08.00 Flying A Kite
07·75 Bridges And Balloons
07·75 You And Me, Bess
07·75 Autumn
07·75 Ribbon Bows
07.00 ’81
06.00 Esme
06.00 Occident
05.00 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
04·50 Jackrabbits
01·75 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)

Bonus Points calculation (for those who are interested)

Sincerest apologies for the confusion. Since I'm a new user there's a slight delay in posts- it seems that each one goes into waiting for a few days until moderator approval. They're dated according to the day I submitted them though, which is why my posts keep randomly appearing across the thread. Sorry for the inconvenience Steve!

My third round votes will have shown up somewhere a bit earlier in the thread at the same time as this post appears. If it's possible, please add Ribbon Bows as my revised 8th preference for the consolation round. A similar delay is probably occurring with gerry2's posts so keep an eye out for those as well. Again, apologies to all!

I edited my original post.

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Go Long
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Have One On Me
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Baby Birch

Sad to let Swansea, Sadie and Kingfisher down, but overall I found the votes for this round easier.

First Consolation Round:
01 - No Provenance
02 - Ribbon Bows
03 - Esme
04 - Autumn
05 - You And Me, Bess
06 - ---
07 - ‘81
08 - Good Intentions Paving Company
09 - The Diver’s Wife
10 - On A Good Day
11 - Jackrabbits
12 - Does Not Suffice
13 - “En Gallop”
14 - Peach, Plum, Pear
15 - Occident
16 - Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
17 - Bridges And Balloons
18 - Flying A Kite
19 - Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Swansea
Tie 3 - Go Long
Tie 4 - Soft As Chalk
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Look And Despair
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Monkey & Bear

1. Peach, Plum, Pear
2. On A Good Day
3. Good Intentions Paving Company
4. Autumn
5. Bridges And Balloons
6. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
7. ’81
8. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
9. Esme
10. Jackrabbits
11. The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
12. Occident
13. Does Not Suffice
14. You And Me, Bess
15. Ribbon Bows
16. No Provenance
17. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
18. Flying A Kite

Tie 1 - Colleen
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Kingfisher
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Have One On Me
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Baby Birch

I suspect that "Look and Despair" will be a top contender once it is officially released. I really love the YouTube version but I tend to favour studio recordings. Tie 3 and Tie 8 were really hard this time.

1. No Provenance
2. On A Good Day
3. Esme
4. Good Intentions Paving Company
5.’81
6.The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
7. Autumn
8. Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
9. Jackrabbits
10. You And Me, Bess
11. Bridges And Balloons
12. Peach, Plum, Pear
13. Ribbon Bows
14. Does Not Suffice
15. Occident
16. Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
17. "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
18. Flying A Kite

I edited my original post as well.

Thank you for the message, Byron - and it certainly was no fault of yours. I did not realise that there was a delay for new posters (a sensible consequence of the kitchen spammers, but unfortunate when they are genuine ones like yours and gerry2's), but I feel a little better now that I have an 'esxcuse' for why I missed them ... they just weren't there when I looked that far back, and then they were after I'd moved on a bit. But I'll be more careful moving forward. Thank you for your Round 3 votes, and those of claire and under a CPell (kindly revised), solfatara, Alex Ysoltsev, and Headless_Caboose.

Hey guys! First post haha

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Kingfisher
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Look And Despair
Tie 7 - Sadie
Tie 8 - Baby Birch

01 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
02 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
03 Bridges And Balloons
04 Peach, Plum, Pear
05 Does Not Suffice
06 Esme
07 On A Good Day
08 Ribbon Bows
09 You And Me, Bess
10 Good Intentions Paving Company
11 Occident
12 Autumn
13 Jackrabbits
14 ’81
15 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
16 No Provenance
17 Flying A Kite
18 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes

Thank you for your votes, gman_48. If anyone else is planning to vote, please note that you've under half an hour to do so!

And I had better hurry if I am to beat the deadline, so here goes ...

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Cosmia
Tie 3 - Kingfisher
Tie 4 - Sawdust & Diamonds
Tie 5 - Emily
Tie 6 - Have One On Me
Tie 7 - Only Skin
Tie 8 - Baby Birch

(Tie 2 features two songs that have steadily grown in my estimation over the years ... but the Ys Street Band version of Cosmia swung it for me. Tie 3 is a very hard pairing, and both would be worth a place in the last 8 in my opinion, but I had to choose one, and the "We came by the boat load" segment of Kingfisher wins out - just. I'm also sorry to have to vote against Soft As Chalk in Tie 4, but S&D is one of the truly greats - the fact that it's so perfectly reproducible live, with just Joanna and her spider-fingers at work never ceased to amaze me. I very much agree with Headless_Caboose's comments re Look & Despair. Sadie was one of my early favourites from MEM, then it slid down for a while, but now it's on the rise again ... but not enough to oust Only Skin in my affections).

Claire is also quite right to point out how much harder it is to rank songs than to pick between just 2 or 3, or occasionally 4. I was uneasy about using this system, but I felt it was necessary to shorten the Consolation Round. Hopefully we'll have a larger number of people voting next time, and we can dispense with this method. My order in the consolation round is:

"En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
----
Flying A Kite
Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
Bridges And Balloons
Ribbon Bows
----
Esme
’81
Good Intentions Paving Company
Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
On A Good Day
Peach, Plum, Pear
Does Not Suffice
Autumn
Jackrabbits
Occident
No Provenance
You And Me, Bess
The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)

(First choice - very easy - one of the very best and sad to see En Gallop not in the top four. As 'ink boy', Flying A Kite had to figure quite highly, didn't it?)

Votes are now closed for the Third Round and First Consolation Round.

I'm just adding them up and will post back here soon.

Songs qualifying for the next round are underlined. As you'll see, one pairing ended with the two songs level at 4-4, so I've once again progressed both to the next round.

Tie 1
6 In California
2 Colleen
Tie 2
6 Cosmia
2 Swansea
Tie 3
4 Go Long
4 Kingfisher
Tie 4
6 Sawdust & Diamonds
2 Soft As Chalk
Tie 5
7 Emily
1 Easy
Tie 6
5 Have One On Me
3 Look And Despair
Tie 7
7 Only Skin
1 Sadie
Tie 8
6 Baby Birch
2 Monkey & Bear *



Underlined song progresses to the Second Consolation Round

136·75 Good Intentions Paving Company
114·50 Peach, Plum, Pear
114.00 Clam Crab Cockle Cowrie
112·75 Bridges And Balloons
112·25 No Provenance
110·75 On A Good Day
109·75 Autumn
109·50 "En Gallop" (aka En Gallop!)
107.00 ’81
099·75 Ribbon Bows
097·25 Does Not Suffice
097.00 Esme
088·75 You And Me, Bess
078·50 Jackrabbits
075·75 The Diver’s Wife (aka Diver)
071.00 Occident
060.00 Ca’ The Yowes To The Knowes
059.00 Flying A Kite

I've not yet had time to analyse these votes fully, but it is interesting what a spread of opinions there are. For example, the last two voters (gman_48 and I) gave En Gallop top marks, and claire had it 2nd, but nobody else had it higher than 9th, with two people putting it last-but-one. Flying A Kite scored poorly from almost every voter (except me).

I had intended to progress three or four songs through to the 2nd Consolation Round, depending upon the spread of points, but the winner was so clear that it would be unfair to send any other songs through with Good Intentions Paving Company. Any 'line' drawn below that would be pretty arbitrary, unless we go all the way down to '81, which would make the next stage somewhat cluttered!

Shortly I will post the Draw and details for the next round...

Tie 1 - In California
Tie 2 - Kingfisher
Tie 3 - Emily
Tie 4 - Only Skin

The ties this time around are a no-brainer for me.

1. Monkey & Bear
2. Look And Despair
3. Good Intentions Paving Company
4. Swansea
5. Sadie
6. Soft As Chalk
7. Colleen
8. Easy

The consolation round is much more difficult. First three places, for example, are really hard to determine. And placing any of these songs in the end of the list is a harsh, albeit necessary, thing to do.